Monday, August 8, 2016

For all of them (FSSP,SSPX,liberal rabbis, Vatican Curia etc) there are exceptions to the traditional salvation theology associated with the 16th century missionaries

The SSPX, Chris Ferrara and pro-SSPX bloggers need to say clearly that the Catholic Church teaches in Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus that all Jews and Muslims and other non Catholics, are oriented to the fires of Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church, with faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14).This should also be the position of Catholic cardinals and bishops and not just the SSPX and the sedevacantists.
Neither the SSPX or FSSP priests offer the Tridentine Rite Mass as it was offered in pre- Council of Trent times.Since they  interpret Catholic doctrine with the new theology approved by liberal Jews and Muslims mentioned in ths report.1
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The new theology is a break with the old ecclesiology based on the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is how the liberal rabbis want the Church to interpret Vatican Council II.
So at the Latin Mass yesterday we had the liturgical form but not the ancient theology and Catholic doctrines.
For the SSPX being saved with the baptism of desire,for example, refers to someone in Heaven without the baptism of water.This is an interpretation according to Lisa Palmieri-Billig and Yahya Pallavicini.
This is the new theology.
Similarly this is the religious formation of FSSP priests and other priests in general. It is also the religious formation of the Internet Padre, Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, Dominican priests in Norcia and priests of the Institute of Christ the King who also offer the Latin Mass.
So the theology of the Latin Mass today is the same as that of Mass offered in Rome in other languages.It is approved by the political Left.
I repeat the ecclesiology of the priests offering Mass in Italian or English is the same as that of the FSSP and SSPX priests.This has to change and the change has to be expressed to the Jewish organisations.
For all of them (FSSP,SSPX,liberal rabbis, Vatican Curia etc) there are exceptions to the traditional salvation theology associated with the 16th century missionaries, when they offered the Latin Mass.
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Fr.John Zuhlsdorf has reported that the bishop of Manchester, USA permits the FSSP priests to offer the Latin Mass in his diocese at a new church.They will do this of course with the new ecclesiology of the bishop approved by the Jewish Left organisations. 
The bishop interprets Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases being objectively known. If he would consider hypothetical cases as being only hypothetical, then the Mass in English which Bishop Peter Libasci offers, would have the pre-Council of Trent ecclesiology.It would be unthinkable for the leftist Vatican.
In the diocese of Manchester the community of Fr. Leonard Feeney, the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, recognised by the bishop, had the Tridentine Rite Mass. They affirm the old ecclesiology on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. However they interpret Vatican Council II,like Bishop Libasci, as being a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.This is the Leftist interpretation of the Council.
So even though the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary attended the Latin Mass at their community chapel, their ecclesiology of Vatican Council II was a rupture with the past.Their position is the same as the SSPX and FSSP priests in Rome.
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I attended the Tridentine Rite Mass yesterday morning and also Mass in Italian in the evening. For me there was no break in ecclesiology.There was no rupture, in my mind, with the pre-Council of Trent ecclesiology. I interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The old ecclesiology supports an ecumenism of return and is the basis for the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King and Religious Liberty.
It is time that we realized that the SSPX is traditionalist but it is making a doctrinal error on Vatican Council II and this is being exploited by the Left,mentioned in this report.
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We no more can accept what Chris Ferrara writes about Vatican Council II since it is based on an irrational premise ( visible cases of LG 16 etc) which is approved by the Jewish liberal organisations.
Nostra Aetate 4 says Catholics are the new people of God. Catholics are the Chosen People. Outside the Church there is no salvation.All need 'faith and baptism' (AG 7, LG 14) to avoid the fires of Hell.
-Lionel Andrades


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