Sunday, October 16, 2016

Yes when I meet a non Catholic I know that he or she is on the way to Hell since the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says so. Also the Catechism of Pope Pius X repeats the same message.Similarly Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation

A. David Anders, Ph.D.
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45.56 Dr.David Anders says that we cannot say that 'I know for sure that someone is going to Hell'.
He also says that to go to Heaven explicit membership in the Church is necessary.However there is the baptism of desire...
Lionel:
Yes when I meet a non Catholic I know that he or she is on the way to Hell since the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says so. Also the Catechism of Pope Pius X repeats the same message.Similarly Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
So explicit membership in the Catholic Church is the norm.
The baptism of desire is not the norm.
The ordinary means of salvation is being incorporated into the Church as a member.
In 2016 we cannot meet someone saved with the baptism of desire. So as John Martignoni the apologist says, it is 'a zero case' with reference to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston made an objective mistake.
St.Robert Bellarmine and St. Francis Xavier only knew and taught the ordinary means of savation, which is explicit, visible entry into the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/video/BdiqABgmE82Z1pRfwaQTDyTQA/postings/

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