Monday, November 7, 2016

Did Ludwig Ott infer all this?

Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma
In Response to a Comment on The Remnant Newspaper.
I read The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott a long time back.I do not have a copy here with me.
What does he say?
1.Does he say that there is connection between the baptism of desire and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus; all need to receieve the baptism of water in the Catholic Church with no exception?
2.Does he say that the baptism of desire is explicit? It is personally known in the present times?
3.Does he say that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water?
4.Does he infer that the baptism of desire and baptism of blood must always exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church or always include it?
5.Does he say that in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued, there were known cases of the baptism of desire with or without the baptism of water?
If he does not say all this, then is this  your inference ? You infer all this like the liberal theologians did in 1949?
For you it is as follows ?:
1.There is a connection between the baptism of desire and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since there are personally known cases, for you, in the present times, saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water.You know of exceptions to EENS.
2.The baptism of desire is explicit for you, objectively seen in personal cases.So it is relevant to EENS.They are visible exceptions to EENS.
3.Since the baptism of desire is visible in personal cases for you, it is something tangible like the baptism of water and so it can be repeatedly given to many, like the baptism of water.
4.The baptism of desire must always exclude the baptism of water,this is what God chose in the past and also for the future in every case of this kind.
5.In 1949 they knew of people who died with the baptism of desire and were saved and are now in Heaven, without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades

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