Do you agree that there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II with or without an irrational premise and conclusion?
Lionel:
IRRATIONAL PREMISES
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming others could see invisible cases in the present and the past.It was assuming that the baptism of desire refers to a known case in the past.
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CONCLUSIONS
IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION:
So every one does not need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are exceptions.There are known people saved without the baptism of water.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION:
So every one does need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are no exceptions.There are no known cases of people saved without the baptism of water.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
So every Protestant does not need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are known cases in 2016 for Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
So every Protestant does need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation as taught by the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus because there are known cases in 2016 of Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
The Catholic Church has rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salussince there are known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
The Catholic Church has not rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salussince there are no known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.There are no visible exceptions.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The pope was wrong. Since there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2016.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
He was wrong. There are no known cases in 2016 of person saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth'.So there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Vatican Council II (LG 8).
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
Since invisible cases are visible in the present times and there are visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
Since invisible cases are NOT visible in the present times and there are NO visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades
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