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Vatican II is full of ambiguities and error. The Catholic Church "subsists in" the Body of Christ, one of many churches which are members of the Body of Christ? Heresy I say.
Lionel:
Lumen Gentium 8 refers to a hypothetical case.If there are other churches which are part of the Catholic Church and whose members are saved we would not know about it. So LG 8 does not contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
______________________What about religious liberty and the liberty of conscience? Which in essence is no different than the Protestant's belief in liberty to choose, to which Tertullian says a Christian has no such liberty.
Lionel:
The text does not deny the traditional teaching on religious liberty.Secondly, once you affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS you can base the teaching on religious liberty upon it.
This is how it was done over the centuries. It was known that every one with no exception needs to enter the Catholic Church and be a member for salvation.So it was important that all political legislation be directed towards this common good. Every one needed to be a Catholic since according to Catholic theology there was no salvation outside the Church.
Once we avoid the new theology, with the irrational premise then the conclusion is traditional. We have the old ecclesiology and upon it we base the teaching on religious liberty, ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue.
Hindus,Buddhists, Sikhs and Others would need to all enter the Church .This would be the Catholic ethos as a priority but not obligatory and forced upon them.They would still have the freedom to choose as it was during the times of the Papal States. However in a papal state the political system would recognise that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
Vatican Council II refers to a state with a secular constitution.-Lionel Andrades
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