With the old ecclesiology intact there can be no change in moral and salvation theology in the Catholic Church.So no one can vaguely cite Vatican Council II as a basis for a change in moral and salvation theology as it is being done over the last 50 years : Four cardinals need to follow the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate

Pope Francis has cited Vatican Council II with reference to the dubbia of the four cardinals.The four cardinals need to respond by citing Vatican Council II as interpreted by the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and explained by me.

The Sisters have said that they accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian  theology.Similarly Fr. S.Visintin osb, the Dean of Theology at the Pontifical University of St. Anselm, Rome, who teaches Rahnerian theology, has said that there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra eclesiam nulla salus and that the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions.

For me the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and  Fr. Visintin are saying the same thing.

Rahnerian theology says that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus e.g the baptism of desire etc.

If the four cardinals would accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian theology then Vatican Council II would support the old ecclesiology. It would not be a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which was the foundation of the old ecclesiology .

With the old ecclesiology intact there can be no change in moral and salvation theology in the Catholic Church.So no one can vaguely cite Vatican Council II as a basis for a change in moral and salvation theology as it is being done over the last 50 years.

It is because the four cardinals are also interpreting Vatican Council II with Rahnerian  theology, with there being known exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus that the Council becomes a rupture with the old ecclesiology.It is wrongly assumed that there is known salvation outside the Church.

The apologist John Martignoni has clarified that the baptism of desire is not explicit and so it cannot be an exception or relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So there really is no known salvation outside the Church.

When Rahner refers to the Anonymous Christian it is only because he assumes there is known salvation outside the visible limits of the Church.

Catholics now have an option. They should inform the Vatican Curia that they accept Vatican Council II without asssuming hypothetical cases are not hypothetical. They do not assume that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to explict cases.This is common sense. They are hypothetical cases even for Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson and many priests in Rome.So they have avoided interpreting Vatican Council II with the theological mistake of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Fr. Karl Rahner S.j.

The four cardinals can do the same and then ask the Vatican to respond.-Lionel Andrades



November 23, 2016

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have set a precedent for all religious communities.They have announced that they accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian theology.This is extra ordinary. Since they are not denying the Council and neither are they denying Tradition

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/the-franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate.html

November 24, 2016
There are reports which say that with reference to the dubbia of the four cardinals Pope Francis has cited Vatican Council II.On this issue the four cardinals and bishop Athanasius Schneider have not responded. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/there-are-reports-which-say-that-with.html