Thursday, December 22, 2016

Cardinal Ratzinger 's work : a rupture between faith and reason

MAGISTERIUM IN REBELLION
The present Magisterium of the two popes is in rebellion.With an irrational reasoning they interpret Vatican Council II.Then they enforce this false reasoning in pontifical universities and seminaries in Rome.This error was made in public by  Pope Benedict.It is a rupture with faith and reason.It is a rupture in the work of the cardinal who wrote on the harmony of faith and reason.Here below is the proof.

ENFORCED IN PONTIFICAL UNIVERSITIES
I have shown in previous blog posts how this error is taught ,to everyone's satisfaction, in the  Legionaries of Christ University APRA in Rome,where I studied.It is the same at the Urbaniana University's ecclesiology classes.The same irrationality is compulsory at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas(Angelicum) Rome.Then the same irrational philosophy and traditional theology is enforced at St.John Lateran University and the Benedictine Pontifical university of St.Anselm in Rome.Rahner's theology on salvation based on the visible for us baptism of desire is the norm.
Pope Francis and Cardinal Walter Kasper also use the irrational inference in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. The false inference is the basis for their new ecclesiology.They are not aware,may be, that without the false inference ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo Mass and the Traditional Latin Mass is the same, it is the old ecclesiology.This is the only rational ecclesiology.Ecclesiology does not depend on the liturgy.

VATICAN CURIA HAS NO CITATIONS
So the Vatican Curia would be in a crisis if the SSPX asked them to cite references in Vatican Council II to support the new ecclesiology.There are none. They are only depending on the irrational premise and inference.Without it LG 16, for example,  is not an exception to the old ecclesiology.
For Fr.Jean Marie Gleize who teaches Ecclesiology at the SSPX seminary at Econe,Switzerland the SSPX Headquarters, Vatican Council II is also not ecclesiocentric.Since he assumes there are exceptions to the dogma. He uses the irrational premise and inference.It is the same error being made at the Pontifical Universities and seminaries in Rome.

HERE IS THE PROOF
In the following text we can see how Cardinal Ratzinger rejected the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, when he was the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.He  approve the following International Theological Commission paper.He assumed, like Pope Pius XII, that there were known cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.They excluded the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
We know that these cases if they exist are invisible. So how could they be exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus?



INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION, VATICAN

Christianity and the World Religions (1997)













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'10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22)...'-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions
Lionel: The International Theological Commission(ITC) is implying here that the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church are visible for the ITV.
So it is an exception to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the past.

How can a possibility, a theoretical case, be a known exception defacto? 
Where are these exceptions in real life? 
How can invisible cases be exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology. This is specious reasoning.

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67. Vatican Council II makes its own the expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus. But in using it the council explicitly directs itself to Catholics and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation. The council holds that the affirmation is based on the necessity of faith and of baptism affirmed by Christ (LG 14). In this way the council aligned itself in continuity with the teaching of Pius XII, but emphasized more clearly the original parenthentical character of this expression.- Christianity and the World Religions 1997,International Theological Commission
Lionel: The International Theological Commission,Vatican is implying here that only those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation are visible for us.For the ITC these cases are relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are exceptions.But those who 'knowì and are damned and those who are in ignorance and are not damned are known only to God!
We cannot know of a single such case on earth.
So how can they be relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known for example to the 16th century missionaries.
This is false reasoning.
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66. In his encyclical Mystici Corporis, Pius XII addresses the question, How are those who attain salvation outside visible communion with the Church related to her? He says that they are oriented to the mystical body of Christ by a yearning and desire of which they are not aware (DS 3821).-Christianity and the World Religions 2007
Lionel:
Yes they can be saved theoretically followed by the baptism of water and we do not know who are these cases specifically
We do not know any such case on earth.
We do not know anyone personally who is '
So one cannot imply that those saved with the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. They are not explicit. So why mention something which is irrelevant?
We cannot know anyone 'oriented to the mystical body of Christ by a yearning and desire of which they are not awareì and who is saved.So why is this mentioned with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
This is specious philosophy.

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The opposition of the American Jesuit Leonard Feeney, who insisted on the exclusivist interpretation of the expression extra ecclesiam nulla solus, afforded the occasion for the letter of the Holy Office, dated 8 August ,1949, to the archbishop of Boston, which rejected Feeney s interpretation and clarified the teaching of Pius XII.
Lionel:
'who insisted on the exclusivist interpretation'.
There is no more an exclusivist interpretation for the ITC since there are 'explicit exceptions'?!
The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and invisible for Fr. Luiz Ladaria S.J and Cardinal Ratzinger-
If Pius XII assumed hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc were not hypothetical then it was a mistake.It was an objective mistake.He was contradicting an infallible teaching of the Church by using a false premise ( visible for us baptism of desire).

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With the doctrine about the Church as the universal sacrament of salvation or the sacrament of the kingdom of God, theology seeks to respond to the new way of posing the problem.
Lionel: 
That the Church is the universal sacrament of salvation or the sacrament of the kingdom of God is theoretical and a general statement.It does not conflict with the traditional exclusivist interpretation of the dogma which says all need to formally enter the Church in the present times.There can be those saved in invincible ignorance etc and it would be known only to God.
So what is hypothetical and theoretical for us cannot be a concrete exception to the dogma.It is not a concrete case in our reality.
'With the doctrine about the Church as the universal sacrament of salvation or the sacrament of the kingdom of God,theology seeks to respond to the new way of posing the problem'.This is false. This is the new theology trying to accomodate visible for us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.This is also the basis for Rahner's Anonymous Christian. It is based on known cases outside the Church , of non Catholics saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
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63. The primary question today is not whether men can attain salvation even if they do not belong to the visible Catholic Church; this possibility is considered theologically certain.

Lionel: 
The problem really is that this theologically possibility is considered an actual case, defacto known. Since if it was only a possibility it would not be an exception or relevant to the teaching on all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation. Now all do not need to be incorporated into the Church, as the Letter of the Holy Office1949 states, since there are theologically know exceptions.Possibilities are exceptions.
This was the philosophical reasoning of Ratzinger and Ladaria.It is a rupture between faith and reason.
They should be ashamed of themself.
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65. One speaks of the necessity of the Church for salvation in two senses: the necessity of belonging to the Church for those who believe in Jesus and the necessity for salvation of the ministry of the Church which, on mission from God, must be at the service of the coming of the kingdom of God.

Lionel: 
There is the necessity of belonging to the Church for all with no exception on earth. Since we do not know who is in invincible ignorance and will be saved. Only God can judge. We humans cannot distinguish between those who believe and will be saved and those who are in invincible ignorance and will be saved without the baptism of water.
According to the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, Protestants and Orthodox Christians need to convert to avoid the fires of Hell. According to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), all need faith and baptism for salvation.
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66. In his encyclical Mystici Corporis, Pius XII addresses the question, How are those who attain salvation outside visible communion with the Church related to her? He says that they are oriented to the mystical body of Christ by a yearning and desire of which they are not aware (DS 3821).

Lionel: 
In Mystici Corporis, Pius XII does not state that these cases are explicit or that they are exceptions to the strict and traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So there is an irrational premise and inference made here by Fr.Luiz Ladaria S.J the President of the ITC and Fr. Charles Morerod O.P the Secretary and other members of the ITC.These members of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith are promoting a rupture between faith and reason.They include Cardinal Gerhard Muller and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia.
They wrongly inferred that those saved with the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. In other words they are known, to be exceptions.
Zero cases cannot be exceptions says the apologist John Martignoni.
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The letter distinguishes between the necessity of belonging to the Church for salvation (necessitas praecepti) and the necessity of the indispensable means of salvation (intrinseca necessitas); in relationship to the latter, the Church is a general help for salvation (DS 3867—69).In the case of invincible ignorance the implicit desire of belonging to the Church suffices; this desire will always be present when a man aspires to conform his will to that of God (DS 3870). But faith, in the sense of Hebrews 11:6, and love are always necessary with intrinsic necessity (DS 3872).

Lionel:
 How can someone unknown be an exception to the dogma ? In ' the case of invincible ignorance the implicit desire of belonging to the Church suffices'. This is hypothetical.It is a non existing case in our reality. Defacto, in reality every one with no exception needs to enter the Church for salvation and we do not know any such hypothetical case.This was an objective mistake made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
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68. In contrast to Pius XII, the council refused to speak of a votum implicitum (implicit desire) and applied the concept of the votum only to the explicit desire of catechumens to belong to the Church (LG 14). With regard to non-Christians, it said that they are ordered in diverse ways to the people of God. In accord with the different ways with which the salvific will of God embraces non-Christians, the council distinguished four groups: first, Jews; second, Muslims; third, those who without fault are ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and do not know the Church but who search for God with a sincere heart and try to fulfill his will as known through conscience; fourth, those who without fault have not yet reached an express knowledge of God but who nonetheless try to lead a good life (LG 16).
Lionel:
 Is Lumen Gentium 16 (LG 16) which is cited here explicit or implicit? For the ITC it is explicit and so is an exception to the dogma. LG 16 refers to a hypothetical case known only to God. We do not know 'those who without fault are ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and do not know the Church but who search for God with a sincere heart...'-and who will go to Heaven.This is a common error.
LG 16 is being used in Pontifical Universities to change ecclesiology.The new ecclesiology being taught is based on this precise mistake. They mix up what is invisible as being visible.This is a rupture between faith and reason.It is accepted by the political Left.
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69. The gifts which God offers all men for directing themselves to salvation are rooted, according to the council, in his universal salvific will (LG 2, 3, 26; AG 7). The fact that even non-Christians are ordered to the people of God is rooted in the fact that the universal call to salvation includes the vocation of all men to the catholic unity of the people of God (LG 13). The council holds that the close relationship of both vocations is rooted in the unique mediation of Christ, who in his body that is the Church makes himself present in our midst (LG 14).
Lionel: 
The ITC states 'The fact that even non-Christians are ordered to the people of God is rooted in the fact that the universal call to salvation includes the vocation of all men to the catholic unity of the people of God' (LG 13). Is it a fact? We do not know any such case.
There is no known case of a non Catholic being saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
There was no known case in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued. There was no known case before 1949. Humanly speaking we cannot know any such case.So how can a hypothetical possibility , which could be followed with the baptism of water, be considered ' a fact'. With or without the baptism of water there is no known case of salvation outside the Church.While the dogma says outside the Church there is no salvation.
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41. The semina verbi, "seeds of the word", can be found outside the limits of the visible Church and specifically in the different religions; this motif is frequently combined with that of the light which enlightens all men and with that of the preparation for the Gospel (AG 11, 15; LG 16, 17; NA 2; Redemptoris missio, 56).
Lionel:
How can we humans know of someone saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water and with the 'seeds of the Word'(AG 11) or that 'ray of the Truth'(NA 2) ? 
There is no such case known in the past or the present.
So why is it assumed that AG 11 and NA 2 refer to known cases? 
Why are they linked to the dogma when these cases are invisible? This is an objective mistake of the ITC.It is confused thinking.

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42. The theology of the seeds of the word stems from Saint Justin Martyr.
Lionel:
O.K let us say there is someone who could be saved with the seeds of the Word somewhere 'out there'.Why suggest these cases are known and then why link them to the dogma? This is irrational reasoning.
All need to be incorporated into the Church as members and we do not know anyone in 2016 saved with seeds of the Word.
Did not Cardinal Raztinger as a philosopher and theologian know this?
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Faced with the polytheism of the Greek world, Justin sees in philosophy an ally of Christianity since it has followed reason; now this reason is found in its totality only in Jesus Christ, the Logos in person. Only Christians know the Logos in its entirety.3 But the whole human race has participated in this Logos. Hence from the beginning there have been those who have lived in accordance with the Logos, and in this sense there have been "Christians" even though the knowledge they have had of the seminal Logos has only been partial.4
Lionel:
Who are they personally ? Were there any such known cases in 1997? Are there any such cases known in 2016? This is all speculation.
The ITC will presume these cases are known and then posit this against the dogma.
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But in any case the partial and seminal presence of the Logos is a gift and a divine grace. The Logos is the power of these "seeds of truth".- Christianity and the World Religions 1997
Lionel:
And since they are known only to the Logos and are unknown to us they are not relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The dogma states all  need to be formal members of the Church in the present times, to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. The dogma does not mention any exceptions.
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The study of the theme "Christianity and the World Religions" was adopted for study by a large majority of the members of the International Theological Commission. To prepare this study a subcommission was established composed of Bishop Norbert Strotmann Hoppe, M.S.C.; Rev. Barthelemy Adoukonou; Rev. Jean Corbon; Rev. Mario de Franca Miranda, S.J.; Rev. Ivan Golub; Rev. Tadahiko Iwashima, S.J.; Rev. Luis F. Ladaria, S.J. (president); Rev. Hermann J. Pottmeyer; and Rev. Andrzej Szostek, M.I.C. General discussion on this theme took place during several meetings of the subcommission and in the plenary sessions of the International Theological Commission held at Rome in 1993, 1994 and 1995. The present text was approved "in forma specifica" by vote of the commission on 30 September 1996 and was submitted to its president, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who has given his approval for its publication.
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The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptised (2007)


59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.

When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire, so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”. - The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without the being baptized', International Theological Commission,2007
Lionel:
 The International Theological Commission,Vatican is implying here that being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water; having an implicit desire, refer to cases who are visible to us.For the ITC these cases are relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are exceptions.The ITC is irrational.
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58. In the face of new problems and situations and of an exclusive interpretation of the adage: “salus extra ecclesiam non est”,[88] the magisterium, in recent times, has articulated a more nuanced understanding as to the manner in which a saving relationship with the Church can be realized. The Allocution of Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadam (1854) clearly states the issues involved: “It must, of course, be held as a matter of faith that outside the apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only ark of salvation, and that whoever does not enter it, will perish in the flood. On the other hand, it must likewise be held as certain that those who live in ignorance of the true religion, if such ignorance be invincible, are not subject to any guilt in this matter before the eyes of the Lord”- The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptized(2007. International Theological Commission) http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_index-doc-pubbl_en.html
Lionel:The Allocution of Pope PIus IX clearly does not state in the passage cited above that those saved in invincible ignorance are explicitly known and so are exceptions to the dogma. The dogma says whoever does not enter into the Church will perish. The Church Councils and popes knew this.
This unfortunately was the error of the Archbishop of Boston Richard Cushing and the Jesuits there.They first assumed that these cases were explicit and without the baptism of water .Then they linked it to the dogma as an exception.It is now magisterial in the Catholic Church. It is a rupture between reason and traditional faith.

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59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.
Lionel:
Yes in principle a person can be saved with the baptism of desire followed by the baptism of water. In reality, explicitly we do not know any case of a person saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire,with or without the baptism of water. So it is not an issue with reference to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So why mention 'that one can belong' to the Church ' at least in desire and longing'? The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake, The magisterium accepted his objective mistake.

The ITC mentioned it since they were confused. They assumed these were explicit, known cases in the present times.
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When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire, so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”.
Lionel:
Yes and the International Theological Commission (ITC) assumes that these cases are explicit and known in reality so for them these unknown can invisible cases contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is a magisterial mistake, a rupture between faith and reason approved by Pope Benedict XVI 
-Lionel Andrades

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DECEMBER 17, 2016

Unprecedented!

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/unprecedented.html

DECEMBER 15, 2016

UNPRECEDENTED!PHILOSOPHICAL MISTAKES DISCOVERED IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/unprecedentedphilosophical-mistakes.html

DECEMBER 13, 2016

PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS FOR A PROFESSOR OF PHILOSOPHY : ASK HIM ABOUT MISTAKES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/philosophical-questions-for-professor.html

DECEMBER 18, 2016


It's un- precedented in over 50 years. All the reports on Vatican Council II have not reported on this.Philosophical error runs through the Council text.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/its-un-precedented-in-over-50-years-all.html

 DECEMBER 21, 2016
Magisterium in rebellion
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/magisterium-in-rebellion.html

 DECEMBER 21, 2016
Legion of Christ university in Rome like SSPX teaches officially approved irrationality :politically correct magisterium
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/legion-of-christ-university-in-rome.html

DECEMBER 19, 2016
Rupture in faith and reason at the Ateneo Pontificial Regina Apostolorum Rome
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/rupture-in-faith-and-reason-at-ateneo.html

DECEMBER 18, 2016
When I meet a non Catholic on the streets I know he is on the way to Hell since he could not be in the subsist it or know or did not know about Jesus and the Church category
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/when-i-meet-non-catholic-on-streets-i.html

DECEMBER 17, 2016
When I meet a non Catholic on the streets I know he is on the way to Hell since the Catholic Church teaches this : this would be news for many Catholics
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/when-i-meet-non-catholic-on-street-i.html

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