The Novus Ordo Mass can be offered with the old ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass of the 16th century, that is, if the priest wanted to do so. He would also then have to express this in his homilies and interpretation of Scripture.
However he would be suspended by the Vatican.
By attending Latin mass you will be formed in the same way the saints were formed in.
Not likely.The saints affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Pope Benedict has sad that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was in the 16th century. It is not more like it was for the saints.
The Latin Mass is being offered by priests who say that the baptism of desire refers to known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is irrational and non traditional. Yet it is with this theology that the Latin Mass is offered all over the world. There has been an innovation. Heresy is the official norm.
The problem of the ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass still lies with Vatican Council II.
There is a mistake in Vatican Council II and once the error is identified and avoided, the interpretation of the Council radically changes.There is no 'spirit of Vatican Council II ' excuse anymore.
There is a mistake in Vatican Council II and once the error is identified and avoided, the interpretation of the Council radically changes.There is no 'spirit of Vatican Council II ' excuse anymore. Now it is posible to interpret Vatican Council II with an irrationality, and most people are doing it, and then they refer to the 'spirit of Vatican Council II'.
We have a mistake in Vatican Council II. It should not have been there.
It was approved by the cardinals because of the confusion at that time of the Fr.Leonard Feeney issue. The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office was kept hidden by the Archdiocese of Boston and made public three years later.It does not have the signature of important Roman officials. The second part of the Letter could have been tampered with by the Archdiocese of Boston. It contradicts the first part of the Letter.It also does this with an irrational premise.
The same irrational premise and conclusion of the Letter 1949 was approved by Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits at Vatican Council II.The same people were involved!
It was Cardinal Richard Cushing and the American Jesuits who had Fr. Leonard Feeney penalised for affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salusas it was interpreted over the centuries.
The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston has heresy when it states that not every one needs to be incorporated into the Church as a member for salvation.
This was approved by ecclesiastical masonry and then in principle applied at Vatican Council II.
So Lumen Gentium 16 says this:
Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.-Lumen Gentium 14 (emphasis added) 1
1.Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits first assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance excluded the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
2.Then they also assumed that it referred to visible and personally known cases on earth.
3.Then they inferred that it was an exception to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extraecclesiam nulla salus.
So based on this irrational premise and conclusion Lumen Gentium 14 says only those who know about the Catholic Church and its necessity for salvation and who are not in invincible ignorance, which refers to explicit cases without the baptism of water, need to enter the Church to avoid Hell. Not every one in general as the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus was interpreted over the centuries, needed to enter the Catholic Church as members, for them.
So now that we have identified the error in Vatican Council II (LG 16) we just assume that Lumen Gentium 16 refers to a hypothetical case.It does not refer to someone personally known in 2016 for example.
So it is not an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
It does not contradict St. Francis Xavier and the 16th century missionaries interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.
November 30, 2016
Roberto de Mattei and the sensus fidei