Sunday, January 22, 2017

Catholic bishops and priests affirm the old ecclesiology in public,do not use the irrational premise, then we have the Mass of the Ages, the Traditional Latin Mass

The bishop of Rockford Illinois,USA allows the Traditional Latin Mass to be offered in his diocese.It can be offered with his permission only.Also the condition is that the priest's understanding of theology and ecclesiology, is the same as the priests who offer Holy Mass in English.He has to use an irrational premise to create an innovated conclusion which is a rupture with the ecclesiocentrism of the past.This is obligatory in the Latin, Byzantine, Greek and other Rites.Otherwise the Mass becomes ideological for Pope Francis.
The bishop does not object to  Mass being offered in Latin, since it is not really the Traditional Latin Mass of the centuries.The ecclesiology has been changed.
This change in ecclesiology is supported by the traditionalist priests and bloggers and also the Society of St Pius X.They do not object.Nor do they discuss this issue.
Though, many traditionalists do not have a clue as to how the ecclesiology of the Mass which they attend is not that of 'the Mass of the Ages.' For them subjectively, there may be no change.
It is the same for me. I attend Mass in different rites,subjectively, with the old ecclesiology.

Most of the traditionalists who attend the alleged Traditional Latin Mass do not know that the present ecclesiology is heretical.The present magisterium will not tell this to them.The present magisterium is heretical on this issue for ideological reasons.
Pope Francis has said that he objects to 'the ideology of the Traditional Latin Mass and now there are are no objections from him. Since 'the ideology'(ecclesiology) of the Latin Mass (TLM) is that of the Left.It prohibits the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which is the foundation of the old ecclesiocentrism.
So the Bishop of Rockford approves the Latin Mass in his diocese as long as there is no priest who proclaims 'the old ideology', the old ecclesiology in his homilies or writings.This rule would apply also for a priest offering Mass in English.
It is the traditionalists bloggers, who attend/offer this Latin Mass with the new ecclesiology who have made a big thing about the Rockford issue.For them the vestments, rubrics and the ad orientem direction of the priest is important and it constitutes the Traditional Latin Mass even though the priest  believes in irrationality and heresy.

Here is their new theology at the old Mass.
1.There is no more the ecclesiocentrism of the past since there are known cases of the baptism of desire in 2017, who are are physically visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So the dogma EENS, like Pope Benedict has stated (March 2016), is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries.It is no more like when the Traditional Latin Mass was offered in the 16th century.There is a rupture.
2.So the Latin Mass offered by the Institute of Christ the King Soverign Priest in Rockford or Rome, is not the Mass of the Ages. It's ecclesiology is clearly a rupture with the 16th century.So it is approved by Pope Francis as not being ideological and the bishop of Rockford gives it the green light.It is not traditional with an exclusivist ecclesiology.
3.This was the understanding of Summorum Pontificum. The Mass in the Extraordinary Form could be offered without the permission of the bishop as long as the priest supported the New Theology based on a false premise.The false premise is a major philosophical error in the Catholic Church, unknown to traditionalists.However if a priest offered Mass with the old ecclesiology and persisted even after being informed he could be suspended.
4.The FSSP, SSPX and sedevacantist priests ALL accept the New Theology.It posits there are known exceptions to the old ecclesiology based on the extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since there are known cases of non Catholics saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

Since there are known cases of people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and there are known cases of people on earth who will be saved without being members of the Catholic Church ( confirmed by Archbshop Di Noia in an interview with Edward Pentin for the NCR), the old ecclesiology is obsolete.
So Cardinal Ratzinger did not mention the dogma EENS in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. While in Redemptoris Missio he re-interpreted the old ecclesiocentrism with the Cushingite irrationality.Here are three examples.
When the Catechism of Pope Pius X says all need to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation, Cardinal Ratzinger and the liberal theologians, would refer to invincible ignorance being mentioned in that Catechism. For them invincible ignorance was a reference to a known, explicit, seen in the flesh case.It was interpreted as a concrete example of someone saved outside the visible -Church; saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
So when St.Thomas Aquinas mentioned the man in the forest in invincible ignorance who was saved after a preacher was sent to him the ideological spin would be added. The liberal theologians would say that the man in the forest referred to a known case, someone personally known who was saved without being a member of the Catholic Church.
So the Letter of the Holy Office criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Centre for not accepting physically known and seen cases of the baptism of desire without the baptism of water.For the cardinals in Rome in 1949 there were non Catholics,saved in invincible ignorance and outside the Church, whose names and surnames were known to them.

With this irrational premise they changed the ecclesiology of the Mass for All Ages and the traditionalists from the time of Archbishop Lefebvre,Michael Davies and Dietrich von Hildebrand have still not noticed it.
So they still call the Novus Ordo Latin Mass the Traditional Latin Mass and believe it is the same Mass as that offered by St.Francis Xavier and St.Robert Bellarimine and the 16th century Jesuit missionaries.
This is the problem.

Traditionalists, and Catholics in general could ask the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Ecclesia Dei to clarify the following,they themself can proclaim it on their blogs and websites.
1.Vatican Council II can be Cushingite ( with the irrational premise) or Feeneyite (without the premise).
2.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus can be interpreted as being Cushingite ( as having exceptions of the baptism of desire etc) or being Feeneyite( as it was defined by the three Church Councils,with no exceptions mentioned).
3.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance could be Cushingite ( being visible and objective) or Feeneyite( not being physically visible).
If the dogma EENS, Vatican Council II, the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance is Feeneyite, then we have the old ecclesiology of the Mass of the Ages. Then we have the Traditional Latin Mass in 2017.
But there wil be persecution.The old Mass with the old ecclesiology would be ideological for Pope Francis and the Bishop of Rockford.No priest is permitted today to affirm in public the dogma EENS as it was understood in the 16th century.The Jewish Left rabbis would protest in public.
So when Catholic bishops and priests (and bloggers) agree to affirm the old ecclesiology in public,without the irrational premise, then we have the Mass of the Ages, the Traditional Latin Mass, not only with its rubrics(instructions) but also ecclesiology.-Lionel Andrades

JANUARY 20, 2017

Concern over restrictions placed on the ideological Traditional Latin Mass in Rockford,Illinois,USA

Photos from Group logo of Latin Mass

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