Friday, March 3, 2017

Adult Catholic tells lies on Internet

He is asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). The text of the dogma says everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church as a member for salvation.This was how St. Benedict,St.Francis Xavier, St. Francis of Assisi and numerous saints interpreted the dogma over the centuries.Now he has to get rid of this dogmatic teaching to follow the agenda of the secret societies and others.So what does he say?
He suggests that there are personally known, seen- in- the-flesh, visible-face- to- face cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance of Jesus and the Church and who are saved without being members of the Catholic Church.This is false.There are no such cases.
But he has to pretend that invisible cases are visible.Otherwise how can there be exceptions to EENS?
So he tells us a lie on the video (see below).1
He could have said that hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 14, LG 8, NA 2 etc) and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney ( baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance (I.I)) are not exceptions to EENS.This is something obvious.It is common sense. We do not know any one on earth or Heaven saved as such even if claims are made to the contrary.
But he has to lie for whatever reason known to him.
Gaudium et Specs which he refers to is a hypothetical case.
Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) also refers to a hypothetical case.
They never were an exception to the dogma EENS.These passages are not relevant to EENS.
Zero cases of something are not exceptions to the dogma EENS says the apologist John Martignoni.
BOD and I.I are not exceptions to EENS says Fr.Stefano Visintin osb, Vice Rector at the Pontifical University of St.Anselm, Rome and former Dean of Theology.
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson has the same message.
But for over 50 years this adult man has been telling lies on Vatican Council II and EENS( Feeneyite).For him baptism of desire, being saved in invincible ignorance and seeds of the Word (AG 11) are relevant to EENS.
At inter-faith meetings in Britain he lies about what the Catholic Church really teaches in Vatican Council II and EENS ( Feeneyite).
The text of EENS and Vatican Council II tell us that all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, Council of Florence 1441) but he has to pretend.He has to decieve.He must act as if he does not know about it.Since he cannot proclaim this to the Jews.Vatican Council II and EENS tell us that all Jews are oriented to Hell.Unless of course they convert into the Catholic Church as members.
Liar Kevin McDonald is protecting his lifestyle and may be his life too.
If he said Gaudium et Specs  and Lumen Gentium 16 refer to invisible people in 2017 Muslims would be protesting outside his comfortable house. So he changes the Gospel.
He does not comment on thousands of reports on line which affirm Gaudium et Specs, Lumen Gentium etc but as hypothetical cases, theoretical possibilities known only to God.Vatican Council II is not rejected.Since it does not contradict EENS.
Vatican Council II for me is not a rupture with the absolutist interpretation of EENS and Tradition (Syllabus of Errors etc).Vatican Council II, Feeneyite, in whcih invisible cases are always invisible is in harmony with EENS, Feeneyite in which the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases.
I do not know any one on earth who will be an exception to EENS. This is something only God can judge.So if I suggest that I did know such a person and then infer that this invisible case was a visible exception to EENS, I would be telling a lie. This would be deception.-Lionel Andrades

Theologians in Conversation; Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus


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