Anonymous said:
We agree with everything EXCEPT Father Feeney's views and your personal interpretation of what God does do to those who have already died. Only Catholics are saved. We agree on that statement which allows for ALL that has been professed by the Catholic Church to be true. You still treat BOB, BOD and II as an exception to the rule of water on earth. NON WATER is permisible where not possible, such as in the death of an individual where water was NOT possible such as in BOB or BOD. Father Feeney said loud and clearly that BOB or BOD were not possible under any circumstances. He was totally wrong on this issue.
Lionel:
We agree with everything EXCEPT Father Feeney's views and your personal interpretation of what God does do to those who have already died.
We do not agree on outside the Church there is no salvation. Since for you BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible cases which are exceptions to Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441.
You like the traditionalists and sedevacantists say every one needs to enter the Church but some do not.
Like the present magisterium you say every one defacto needs to be a member of the Catholic Church but some do not.This is contradictory reasoning.It also negates the centuries old teaching.
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Only Catholics are saved.
But for you BOD,BOB and I.I refer to people who are saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. So this is a contradiction.
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We agree on that statement which allows for ALL that has been professed by the Catholic Church to be true.
Lionel:For me BOD,BOB and I.I are invisible for me. This is how it was understood over the centuries.
For the present magisterium and for you BOD, BOB and I.I refer to known exceptions to EENS.This is not what the Church professed over the centuries. Instead for me this is heresy.
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You still treat BOB, BOD and II as an exception to the rule of water on earth.
Lionel: For me it is not an exception.
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NON WATER is permisible where not possible, such as in the death of an individual where water was NOT possible such as in BOB or BOD.
Lionel: There is no known case where a person will be saved without the baptism of water ( as mentioned in the previous posts).
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Father Feeney said loud and clearly that BOB or BOD were not possible under any circumstances. He was totally wrong on this issue.
Lionel: The Church teaches that all need the baptism of water for salvation in the Catholic Church( Council of Trent, Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church). Fr.Leonard Feeney said the same thing.
The possibility of BOD and BOB, does not exist as an exception, to the dogma EENS, since an exception cannot just be a possibility, theoretical or hypothetical case, and still be an exception.An invisible person for us cannot be an exception to EENS. A person assumed to be saved in Heaven with or without the baptism of water cannot be a concrete exception to the dogma EENS on earth.
-Lionel Andrades
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