- Q. 651. What is Baptism of blood?
A. Baptism of blood is the shedding of one's blood for the faith of Christ.
Q. 653. Is Baptism of desire or of blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water?
A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water. Baltimore Catechism
- Other Saints in history of the Church who have openly written about Baptism of Blood: Cyprian Epistle LXXII (third century), Church Father Cyprian (Treatise I and Epistle I to Donatus) (third century), Church Father Tertullian (Enchiridion Patristicum under "de baptisme" (third century), St Cyril writes of Baptism of Blood (fourth century), St. Gregory Nazianzen writes of Baptism of Blood (fourth century), St. John Chrystostome writes of Baptism of Blood (fourth century), St. Catherine of Sienna openly writes about Baptism of Blood (fourteenth century)
Lionel: I accept the above.I also accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the 16th century missionaries.I also believe that in the 16th century they affirmed the baptism of desire like i.e it referred to hypothetical and invisible cases and it would be followed with the baptism of water.
So I am not denying the baptism of desire.Common sense tells us it is invisible in 2017 and the dogma indicates it would be followed with the baptism of water for salvation.________________________
The ordinary magisterium of the Church has openly taught the three-fold Baptism (water, desire and blood) since the earliest days of the Church, and never has this teaching ever been condemned by the Catholic Church throughout the entire history of the Church.
Lionel: I affirm all three.
The First Vatican Council commands that all Catholics must believe what the ordinary magisterium of the Church teaches, therefore no Catholic can deny the doctrines Baptism of Desire, or Baptism of Blood.
Lionel: No Catholic can also deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which does not mention any exceptions.In fact the text of the dogma on the contrary suggests there are no exceptions.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 held that the baptism of desire is an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It stated that every one did not need to be incorporated into the Church for salvation as a member. On this point it criticized by name Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center. They taught that every one needed to be incorporated into the Church as a member to avoid the fires of Hell. This is a denial of the pre 1949 magisterial teachings; it is a denial of the ordinary magisterium.This is heresy. It is the magisterial heresy of the Holy Office in 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing.They and liberal theologians interpreted magisterial texts and the writings of the saints and popes with Cushingism instead of rational Feeneyism.So do you.