Wednesday, March 15, 2017

Since BOD and I.I cannot be known on earth by any one in the Church, how can they reject the traditional teaching on EENS?

Of course the baptism of blood, baptism of desire
 and invincible ignorance are  RELEVANT to 
extra ecclesiam null salus for the
 Catholic Church has taught 
them for centuries which can NOT be
If they are relevant for you then it would 
mean they refer to visible and personally known cases.
When the Catholic Church mentions them
 it is obviously to
 speculative and theoretical cases. Since they
 cannot be any thing else.
It is the present magisterium ( since the
 time of Pope Pius XII) which infers that 
they are visible cases.
At the same time you have told me that 
they cannot be physically seen or known
 in the present times.
This is a contradiction?

Where do you get that we know those Saints
 in Heaven who have died in Inv. Ign?
You have said that Invincible Ignorance  is
 relevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 You have accepted the Letter of the Holy 
Office 1949.
So you infer that you and the Church knows
 of people saved in I.I otherwise how could
 they be relevant or exceptions to EENS if 
they were invisible cases?

Where does the Church say that there
 are VISIBLE saints known to us on 
earth that have died due to 
Invincible Ignorance  ?
The Church only refers to saints being
 in Heaven. 
If they have said that there is someone
 in Heaven without the baptism of water 
then the Church has contradicted the 
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So I ask where does the Church say that
 there are known cases of people in Heaven
 saved with invincible ignorance or baptism
 of desire BOD and if they do make this
 claim how would they know? 
 How can they contradict 
extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?
Since BOD and I.I cannot be known 
on earth by any one in the Church,
 how can they reject the traditional
 teaching on EENS?
-Lionel Andrades

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