Wednesday, April 5, 2017

At Crux they are breathing hard.No 'doctrinal roadblock' with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite).The Council II is no more an issue

From Fr.John Zuhlsdorf's blog.

Pope Francis offers way to recognize marriages by traditionalist group(Crux)
Pope Francis has made another concession to the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX),in an attempt to bring the group into full communion with the Church.
The latest olive branch was extended on Tuesday, when a method was announced for their marriages to be considered valid in the Church.
Currently, priests of the society lack the necessary permissions to conduct Catholic weddings, so the marriages in their chapels are not considered valid by Church authorities.
Under the new system – outlined in a letter by Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the head of the Vatican’s doctrine office, who also serves the President of the Commission which deals with the SSPX [the Pont. Comm. “Ecclesia Dei“] – a local bishop would have a priest of his diocese attend the wedding at the SSPX chapel, and receive the consent of the parties, while the SSPX priest celebrates the wedding liturgy according to the traditional rite.
Müller also said if no priest of the diocese was available, then the bishop could give the necessary faculties to the SSPX priest to receive the consent from the parties, and have him send the necessary paperwork to the diocese.

[… some blah blah…]
Francis seems to be trying to sidestep this doctrinal roadblock by looking directly at the pastoral situations, with this latest letter citing the pope’s concern over “any uneasiness of conscience on the part of the faithful who adhere to the Society of St. Pius X as well as any uncertainty regarding the validity of the sacrament of marriage may be alleviated.”
(Lionel: There is no 'doctrinal roadblock' with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite).

Perhaps by increasing contact between the local bishops and local SSPX congregations – which often have no communication at all – the pope is hoping to break down some of the psychological and cultural obstacles to unity.

However, the SSPX does not think it needs these permissions[great guys, but they are wrong] and a visit to any of their websites will give you pages and pages of explanations of why their priests have all the faculties necessary to perform their ministry.
(Lionel: Doctrinally Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) is not a rupture with Tradition.So Vatican Council II is no more an issue.)

And although Francis is known as a “pope of gestures,” these gestures on priestly faculties are probably not the ones the rank-and-file traditionalists want to see him make, and that takes the pope back to the doctrinal roadblock he has been trying to circumvent.
Lionel: Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism.It is a rupture with traditional doctrine including extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite). If Pope Francis would interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus without the irrational premise and conclusion, then pre-Vatican Council and post Vatican Council doctrine would be in harmony. 
Doctrine is no more an issue for those who discern.

In an interview earlier this year, Fellay said “the main obstacle is the degree of obligation of adherence to the Second Vatican Council,”
Lionel: Cardinal Muller has to clarify that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II, Feeneyism and Cushingism.Cushingism is magisterial and official and it contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. It has to be discarded by all.

 in particular mentioning the SSPX “will not yield” on questions such as “the way in which ecumenism is practiced[ehem… that’s not a doctrinal problem] 
Lionel: The new ecumenism is based on Vatican Council II ( Cushingite). With Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite), the ecclesiocentrism of the past does not change. So there can only be an ecumenism of return.

including statements very dangerous for the faith,
Lionel: Which 'faith' ? Faith with Vatican Council Cushngite or Feeneyite?

 that make you think all have the same faith;
Lionel. All are interpreting Vatican Council II ( Cushingite). In this sense all have the new faith, with the new theology and new doctrines on salvation.However since the traditionalists only know about Vatican Council II(Cushingite) they do not  harmonize Tradition with Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).And Cruzis not going to tell them about this. It has to maintain the secret for ideological reasons.Meanwhile they could be breathing hard hoping this spectre will go away.

 the liturgical question or the relationship between the Church and the State.” [i.e., religious liberty]
Lionel: With Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) we are back to the old ecclesiology of the Church.So the old exclusivist ecclesiology would be the same at all Rites. Presently with Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) there is no more an exclusivist ecclesiology in the Church at any Rite. At the Byzantine Greek Mass, the Latin and Syro Malabar Rite and the Novus Ordo Mass they all assume invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.So LG 16, LG 14 etc would be an explicit rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Feeneyite) at any Mass.There is a new doctrine created with a false theology which the SSPX is correctly rejecting.
 Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) is in harmony with the old ecclesiology of the Church which affirmed outside the Church there is no salvation. Upon this dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, and all needing to be members,, that the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation was based. So there was no separation of Church and State.
Now with official Vatican Council II ( Cushingism) there is allegedly known salvation outside the Church so the dogma has been set aside. There is no need for every one to be Catholic for salvation.So there is no need for the State to politically be Catholic with a Catholic constitution.

Those are questions which it is doubtful this pope will answer in a way the traditionalists will accept, even if they don’t have to worry about the validity of their marriages.
Lionel: When Catholics accept Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) the liberals and pro-Masons like Crux will rebel .They are expected to rebel like the traditionalists are rebelling today against Vatican Council II( Cushingite).
  [Grrrr…. at the end, the writer had to piddle on future.  The solution isn’t that difficult: because the issues that the SSPX has trouble with are, in fact, fraught with difficulties, simply allow that people have freedom to disagree about what they mean.]

-Lionel Andrades

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