Wikipedia is misleading on 'Salvation outside the church'. It interprets the subject with Cushingism instead of rational Feeneyism.
Salvation outside the church-Catholic Theology- WIKIPEDIA
The Catholic Church teaches that it is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church founded by Jesus. Concerning non-Catholics, the Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say:
Lionel: This is a Cushingite line in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 846). So when reading it a discerning Catholic has to note that even though all salvation theoretically comes from Christ through the Church which is his Body, every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).Concretely every one needs to enter the Church to avoid Hell. 'All' need 'faith and baptism' for 'salvation' (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).So CCC 846 here does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century. Neither does it contradict the understanding of EENS according to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Centers of his time, in Boston.This would be a Feeneyite way of reading this passage.
Here Wikipedia like Cardinal Ratzinger assumes invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS. This is an error.It is also the irrational theology of Cushingism.
Lionel:Yes it is not aimed at those who through no fault of their own, who do not know Christ and his Church and are saved. They are not known to us in particular cases. So they are irrelevant to the dogma EENS. They are not exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation in 2017.
Wikpedia, the liberals,traditionalists and Cardinal Ratzinger assumed there were known cases of people in invincible ignorance who were saved. This was also the error at the time of Vatican Council II. They made a philosophical mistake. Invisible people cannot be exceptions to the dogma EENS.
So this passage can be read in two ways.Invisible cases are invisible or they are invisible? This must be asked. Since this decides the interpretation of CCC 846.________________________________________________
Lionel: Is this a reference to invisible or physically visible cases in 2017? So they obviously are not relevant to the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma EENS.
Lionel: Since invisible cases are not exceptions to the dogma teaching on all needing to be members of the Church, there is a need to evangelize with a different doctrine, then the present Cushingite one.In the present times all non Catholics with no known exceptions are oriented to Hell, without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.So we conduct mission knowing this.This was how the saints too were missionary.They held the traditional teaching on all needing to enter the Church with no exceptions.
Subsistence is the doctrine that the Church of Christ "subsists in" the Catholic Church. The doctrine is in continuity with the previous phrasing of Mystici corporis Christi that the Church of Christ "is" (est) the Catholic Church, although some theologians have interpreted the phrase to be a rupture with the previous tradition.
Subsistit in is a term taken from Lumen Gentium paragraph 8:
Lionel: The many elements of sanctification and grace mentioned in Lumen Gentium 8 again comes from Cushingism. These are 'zero cases'. We do not know of any person who will be saved or has been saved outside the Church, without 'faith and baptism'._____________________________
The proper interpretation of subsistence has been controversial since the Second Vatican Council introduced the phrase; the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has issued various interpretations confirmed by the pope, while some dissident theologians put forth more radical interpretations.
Lionel: It is only controversial if you assume there is known salvation outside the Church. There is no known salvation outside the Church.
So again when reading Vatican Council II or the Catechism(1994) we have to keep in mind that invisible cases are not visible, they are invisible. I call this approach Feeneyism.
Wikipedia's approach is Cushingite. Invisible cases are visible. So these visible cases of the baptiism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the old ecclesiology and so now a new theology.A new ecclesiology has been created upon which depends the new ecumenism.
When I refer to Feeneyism it should not be confused with Wikipedia's explanation of Feeneyism. For me Wikpedia's Feeneyism is really Cushingism.It is a rupture with the dogma EENS as it was known for example in the 16th century.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_ecclesiology
Feeneyism is the doctrinal position associated with Leonard Feeney (1897–1978), a Jesuit priest and founder of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, who advocated a strict interpretation of the doctrine extra Ecclesiam nulla salus ("outside the Church there is no salvation").
Lionel: Yes there can only the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS since there are no visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.So there are no exceptions to the 'strict interpretation' of EENS.
Fr. Feeney was a Roman Catholic priest and a member of the Jesuits. The Jesuit order dismissed Fr. Feeney in 1949 on account of disobedience, and on 4 February 1953, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (known then as The Holy Office) declared him excommunicated "on account of grave disobedience to Church Authority, being unmoved by repeated warnings". He was reconciled to the Church in 1972. Fr. Feeney co-founded the group known as the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Lionel: The Jesuits dismissed him since for them invisible cases were visible. It was the same for the cardinals at the Holy Office in 1949. Now we realize that it was the magisterium which had made an objective mistake and not Fr. Leonard Feeney.He was not saying invisible cases are visible.
FR.LEONARD FEENEY -WIKIPEDIA
FR.LEONARD FEENEY -WIKIPEDIA
Father Leonard Edward Feeney (February 18, 1897 – January 30, 1978) was a U.S. Jesuit priest, poet, lyricist, and essayist.
He articulated and defended a strict interpretation of the Roman Catholic doctrine, extra Ecclesiam nulla salus ("outside the Church there is no salvation"). He took the position that baptism of blood and baptism of desire are unavailing and that therefore no non-Catholics will be saved.
Lionel: 'He took the position that baptism of blood and desire are unavailing' since there are no such cases in our reality, they are unknown cases. We cannot give any one the baptism of desire like we can administer the baptism of water.No one in the past could have seen someone in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water.But for the liberals the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma EENS.It was an example of known salvation outside the Church. This was their false premise and conclusion.
This is what lay Catholics have been taught about Catholic theology through Wikipedia and the magisterium instead of correcting Wikipedia supports the deception.--Lionel Andrades