Saturday, February 24, 2018

SSPX begin negotiations with Abp. Guido Pozzo : ask if Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the Lionel Andrades model.

The Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) should re-begin negotiations with Archbishop Guido Pozzo,Secretary of Ecclesia Dei,Vatican and ask him if the SSPX can accept Vatican Council II as interpreted by Lionel Andrades on the blog Eucharist and Mission(Lionel's Blog).
Tell Archbishop Guido Pozzo that Lionel's interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) is the same as that of the SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012.
Howevever he considers Archbishop Guido Pozzo in heresy and in schism with the past popes and  Magisterium.


Pope Benedict confirmed this in March 2016(Avvenire).He said that EENS today, for him, was not the same as it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.For Lionel, EENS is the same as in the past since he re-interprets Vatican Council II differently.There are no exceptions mentioned in the Council to EENS for him, since LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc all refer to hypothetical cases, invisible people in the present times(2018).For Archbishop Pozzo they are not invisible but known people in the present times saved outside the Catholic Church.It's with this irrationality that he and Pope Benedict interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition and in particular the dogma EENS.
So Archbishop Guido Pozzo is using the same irrational premise approved by Pope Benedict and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj to interpret EENS and Vatican Council II.

Like  Pope Benedict, he creates a rupture with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.So Pope Benedict and Archbishop  Pozzo will not affirm Feeneyite EENS or the Syllabus of Errors. Since Vatican Council II with the premise is a development for them. Also the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), interpreted with the irrational premise, is a rupture with EENS for them. For Lionel Andrades BOD, BOB and I.I are not a rupture with Feeneyite EENS since he does not use the irrational premise.Invisible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I cannot be visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. The Holy Office 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston were wrong in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case. It was the courageous priest from Boston who was teaching orthodox Catholic doctrine, for Lionel.
The SSPX could begin talks with Archbishop Guido Pozzo and ask him if he could interpret Vatican Council II like Lionel Andrades .The conclusion would be in harmony with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, the Nicene Creed and the past Catechisms including the present Catechism of the Catholic Church.The ecclesiology of the Church before and after Vatican Council II will be the same.
So the SSPX would be meeting Archbishop Pozzo's demand to accept Vatican Council II.
The SSPX could also ask Rome to come back to the faith as Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre wanted them to do so.Archbishop Pozzo and the popes must  also interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS as it as known to the Magisterium of the 16th century. 

They can use Lionel's model to go back to the old theology and traditional doctrines of the Church in harmony with Vatican Council II( premise-free).
So with Vatican Council II as a condition for reconciliation being met, the SSPX can be granted canonical recognition and a personal prelature.
Also the Conference of Catholic Bishops in Europe and the USA could be asked to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the Nicene Creed, Athanasius Creed,EENS, Syllabus of Errors and the Catechisms including the Council of Trent and that of Pope Pius X.They must choose the hermeneutic of continuity and not rupture.
This should be expected of all Catholics.This is a rational, traditional and non heretical interpretation. There is no schism with the past popes and Church Councils on EENS etc.-Lionel Andrades


FEBRUARY 24, 2018




Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j is in schism error needs to be recanted : Catholics have to affirm heresy and schism of the present Magisterium in the name of Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise to elicit a non traditional and heretical conclusion which is a break with the past Magisterium of the Church.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/sspx-begin-negotiations-with-abp-guido.html

FEBRUARY 23, 2018





Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j in schism : enforcing it on the whole Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-in-schism.html


FEBRUARY 24, 2018

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF),Vatican has no objections if all Catholic religious communities affirm Vatican Council II without the irrational premise : information exclusively on Lionel's Blog


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/the-congregation-for-doctrine-of.html



Tell Card.Marx that you affirm Vatican Council II according to Lionel Andrades.There is no known salvation outside the Church. So Protestants cannot receieve the Eucharist (Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/tell-cardmarx-that-you-affirm-vatican.html






JULY 4, 2017


CDF asks SSPX to interpret Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism and reject traditional Feeneyismhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/cdf-wants-sspx-to-interpret-vatican.html



MAY 18, 2017


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No canonical status for the SSPX this year.Reconciliation talks have failed.Doctrine divides for a corrupt magisterium

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/no-canonical-status-for-sspx-this.html

MAY 12, 2017

Ecclesia Dei ask the Bishops Conferences to affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/ecclesia-dei-ask-bishops-conferences-to.html


NOVEMBER 14, 2017

Once they correct this error the SSPX could tell Archbishop Guido Pozzo that they affirm Vatican Council II( premise free).
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/once-they-correct-this-error-sspx-could.html

OCTOBER 30, 2017

Double- speak continues with Ecclesia Dei and the CDF : Vatican Council II is not the real issue for the SSPX reconciliation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/double-speak-continues-with-ecclesia.html

 OCTOBER 13, 2017

SSPX has to show Abp.Pozzo that 'the dogma of the faith' has not been lost : it's in harmony with Vatican Council II (premise-free)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/sspx-has-to-show-abppozzo-that-dogma-of.html

OCTOBER 12, 2017

Five months and no concrete dialogue between the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei on Vatican Council II (premise-free) and EENS(premise-free)
  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/five-months-and-no-dialogue-between.html

OCTOBER 4, 2017

SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II (Cushingite) : do not compromise like Card. Raymond Burke, Michael Voris and others  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican.html 

AUGUST 29, 2017
SSPX can correct the Wikipedia error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II related to canonical status for them http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/sspxcan-correct-wikipedia-error-related.html


Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J uses the false premise : here is the proof!






Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is still in heresy :visible to us baptism of desire and invincible ignorance contradicts a defined dogma http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-secretary-of.html

THERE IS AMBIGUITY IN VATICAN COUNCIL II ONLY WITH THE FALSE PREMISE: THE COUNCIL IS TRADITIONAL OTHERWISE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/there-is-ambiguity-in-vatican-council.html

Archbishop Di Noia's the Church is always right is becoming controversial: How can the Holy Spirit say that we can see the deceased saved?  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-di-noias-church-is-always.html#links
Tuesday, April 10, 2012
HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
IF THE CDF DOES NOTHING WHOM CAN WE APPEAL TO, POPE FRANCIS ?: PUBLIC ERRORS BY VATICAN OFFICIALS INCLUDING THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/05/if-cdf-does-nothing-whom-can-we-appeal.html

January 13, 2013

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