Sunday, February 18, 2018

There will not be mission for Michael Voris based on the traditional teaching of the Church supported by Vatican Council II and the Catechism(1994) since he chooses Cushingism.

The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)  says all need to enter the Church for salvation and Michael Voris with his Cushngite theology indicates there are exceptions.
The dogma EENS defined by three Church Councils does  not mention any practical exceptions but Voris with his hypothetical probabilities assumes there are exceptions.
So he cannot affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS like me.
Some of his exceptions in the video Do Non Catholics Go to Hell are :-
1.Beyond being a card carrying Catholic to go to Heaven.
2.God’s grace is not bound by the sacraments. He can certainly operate outside of them. 
3. Does the “good” Protestant husband and father go to Hell because he wasn’t Catholic?
4. It should not be asked, “Will he go to Heaven if he wasn’t Catholic?” but, “Was he in a state of grace
5.Now, we can never know with any certitude, of course, the disposition of any particular soul; that is completely in the realm of Our Lord as Judge.
6.But in the hypothetical discussions people engage in, we can ask these questions. We speak in hypotheticals because principles of understanding fall from them. 
7.Faithful sacrament-frequenting Catholics are much more likely to be saved than anyone else because such a man is much more likely to die in a state of grace
8. It is much more difficult to be saved if you are not a Catholic with access to the sacraments to restore you to and keep you in a state of grace.
9.All salvation comes through the Catholic Church, and outside of Her there is no salvation. 1

With Feeneyism  these nine points  are simply hypothetical  and so they are not practical exceptions to the dogma EENS.
With Cushingite theology hypothetical cases are not hypothetical  but known people saved outside the Church in the present times.So they become exceptions to EENS in the present times.
Michael Voris interprets the Catechism and Vatican Council II  with hypothetical cases not hypothetical in the present times. 
For there to be an exception to the dogma EENS it has to happen in the present times. Someone in the past could not be an exception to the dogma EENS today.
Yet this is the common irrational reasoning.For the Cushingite, St. Emerentiana in the past, is an exception to the dogma EENS today(2018).
Here are some passages in the Catechism and Vatican Council II which Michael will interpret with Cushingism.

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.-Catechism of the Catholic Church

Feeneyite line.
The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.


Feeneyite passage:
The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit."

Feeneyite line.
God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism,


Cushingite line
for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.

Cushingite line
 he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

Now Michael Voris being a Cushingite in theology assumes that what is written in red is an exception to that written in blue.

For him the hypothetical passages in red are not hypothetical. So they can be exceptions to the passages in blue.

So the passages in red are relevant and are exceptions to the passage in blue for him.

So he cannot come out outright and say :  all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water.

For me the text in red refers to only hypothetical cases which are not examples of known people saved outside the Church in the present times. So they are not practical exceptions to the text in blue.
So I am reading the same passage as Michael but my theology is Feeneyite.
Feeneyism for me means the absense of the irrational premise ( hypothetical cases like the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are non hypothetical in 2018).
So the nine points of Michael Voris are hypothetical cases which are non hypothetical and they prevent him from saying all non Catholics in 2018 need to enter the Church to avoid Hell.
If I was presenting this Vortex I would not have mentioned these nine points since they are not relevant to EENS. This is even though the authors of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) are Cushingites.The Catechism can be re-interpreted with Feeneyism.
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Feeneyite passage:
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. 

 yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.

The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.

Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. 


Cushingite passages:
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."

Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him 

For me the text in red refers to only hypothetical cases which are not examples of known people saved outside the Church. So they are not practical exceptions to the text in blue.
So I am reading the same passage as Michael but my theology is Feeneyite.
So for me Vatican Council II(AG 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation and this must be proclaimed in mission.But for Michael Voris there are exceptions of those 'inculpably ignorant of the Gospel' whom God can lead to Himself.This is a non hypothetical case for Michael. So not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for him, as the blue passages in Ad Gentes 7 tell me.
So we are both reading the same passage in Vatican Council II(AG 7) but he does it with Cushingite theology which depends on the false premise. I avoid it.This I call Feeneyism.
So Michael Voris will not say that all Jews and Muslims in Detroit are on the way to Hell in 2018 unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).There will not be mission for him based on this traditional teaching of the Church.
-Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 18, 2018

In the old Vortex on Do Non Catholics Go To Hell?, prudent Michael Voris does not want to be called a Feeneyite: uses Cushingite theology
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/in-vortex-on-do-non-catholics-go-to.html


 FEBRUARY 17, 2018




I am a Feeneyite who does not reject Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-who-does-not-reject.html


FEBRUARY 17, 2018


I am a Feeneyite who does not reject BOD, BOB and I.I

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-who-does-not-reject-bod.html

FEBRUARY 17, 2018



I affirm baptism of desire(BOD) Feeneyite and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) Feeneyite.I do not reject BOD,baptism of blood (BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) which are always Feeneyite for me.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-affirm-baptism-of-desirebod-feeneyite.html


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