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Repost : Vatican needs to begin reconciliation with the Most Holy Family Monastery : Clarification needed on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus not being retracted and still a Magisterial teaching in agreement with Vatican Council II and the Catechism

OCTOBER 9, 2010


Vatican needs to begin reconciliation with the Most Holy Family Monastery : Clarification needed on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus not being retracted and still a Magisterial teaching in agreement with Vatican Council II and Catechism

The Vatican could begin a reconciliation process with sedevantists by announcing that the Catholic Church has notretracted the ex cathedra dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus. There is no Church document which makes this claim. Instead Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church support the ex cathedra teaching outside the Church there is no salvation. 

Reconciliation with the Society of St. Pius X could also be extended to the Most Holy Family Monastery, NY, USA whose main charge against the Church was that it had given up the ex cathedra teaching. This is not true.

They also claim  that Vatican Council II is  contrary to Tradition and extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This also is not true. We reject the Jewish Left-Boston College interpretation of Vatican Council II and accept Vatican Council II according to Sacred Tradition and the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Director of the Vatican Press Officecould easily counter the charges being made against the popes and the claims of they being in heresy. He can  simply point out that extra ecclesiam nulla salus has not been retracted and it is still a Magisterial teaching.So  the charges of heresy all over the Internet can be neutralised.

Also there can be no doctrinal understanding with the Society of St. Pius X unless the extra ecclesiam nulla salus clarification is not made.

There are charges of heresy and schism against the Catholic Church, the popes and dioceses and there has been no response theologically from the Vatican or any Catholic organisation. More people are being allowed to assume that the sedevacantists are correct.

Just as there is dialogue with the SSPX, reconciliation could start with the Most Holy Family Monastery who have an effective media presence on the Internet which is far superior to other sedevantist groups.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church supports the infallible teaching.Here is CCC 845

to reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.
The Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood. Everyone needs to enter it. Outside the Church there is no salvation.

CCC 846 also affirms the rigorist interpretation of the ex cathedradogma outside the church there is no salvation.

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it
All need to enter as through a door, this is the language of the Church Fathers on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church , outside the Church there is no salvation means 1) everyone who is saved, explicitly with the baptism of water and Catholic faith or implicitly, unknown to us and known only to God, are saved by Jesus and His Mystical Body the Catholic Church (CCC 846).2) everyone needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water, and there are no explicit or implicit, exceptions that we can know of, to go to Heaven avoid Hell (CCC 845).Outside the Church there is no salvation and everyone needs to be a formal, explicit member to avoid Hell.

CCC 847 and 848 refer to those saved with a good conscience or invincible ignorance and who are unknown to us human beings but known only to God. They are saved ‘in certain circumstances’ ('The phrase 'in certain circumstances' is from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.So the ordinary way of salvation is the baptism of water with Catholic Faith; the explicit, formal means of salvation.)

CCC 845 indicates that the only way for salvation that we humans ‘know’ is the explicit, formal means which includes the baptism of water.CCC 847, 848 refer to hypothetical cases, a possibility known only to God and which we can accept only in principle. We do not know any particular case of invincible ignorance. Neither do we know any person whom Jesus will judge as having a good conscience on the Day of Judgement. So CCC 847,848 (implicit, hypothetical salvation) does not contradict CCC 845 ( the need for explicit entry into the Church as if entering a Door, as through a door).

All people (Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II,CCC 845) with no exceptions that we know of, need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. Outside the Church there is no salvation.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
Here is the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, thrice defined and affirmed by Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 845,846) and other Magisterial documents (Dominus Iesus 20 etc).
1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS(Rasha Lampa) http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/

Apologist Scott Hahn also affirms the same teaching.

SCOTT HAHN AFFIRMS RIGORIST INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND ALSO PROBABILITY OF PERSONS SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
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Info on our Benedictine Community 
Most Holy Family Monastery • 4425 Schneider Road • Fillmore, NY 14735 • 585-567-4433 • 800-275-1126 www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com

The Founder of our Benedictine community:
Brother Joseph Natale O.S.B.
Brother Joseph Natale was trained at St. Vincent’s benedictine Arch-abbey in Latrobe, PA. St. Vincent’s Arch-abbey was the largest Benedictine monastery in the United States. In the 1960’s, Bro. Joseph left with the permission of the then Archabbot Dennis Strittmatter to start his own Benedictine community. Shortly after leaving St. Vincent’s, Bro. Joseph started his Benedictine community in southern New Jersey. Bro. Joseph never allowed the New Mass to be celebrated at his monastery, only allowing the traditional Roman Rite Mass. Bro. Joseph printed, distributed and sold numerous books, pamphlets and audio tapes defending the Catholic faith and educating Catholics about the true teachings of Catholicism. In 1994, the community was given a piece of land in rural New York. Bro. Joseph wrote and stated on many occasions that he would be moving the community to New York. But Bro. Joseph was not able to complete this desire, due to the fact that he died on November 11, 1995. After Bro. Joseph died, Bro. Michael Dimond, O.S.B. was elected superior of the community. Bro. Michael immediately went to work to fulfill Bro. Joseph’s wish to move the community to New York. In late 1997, Most Holy Family Monastery finally finished moving the community and its belongings to New York.

Bro. Michael Dimond O.S.B.
Raised in a family with no religion, Bro. Michael Dimond converted to Catholicism at the age of 15. Brother Michael Dimond entered Most Holy Family Monastery in 1992 at the age of 19, a short time after graduating from high school. Brother Michael Dimond’s father graduated from Princeton University in New Jersey and his mother graduated from Stanford University in California. Brother Michael Dimond was elected superior of Most Holy Family Monastery in late 1995. Bro. Dimond took his final vows before a validly ordained priest.

Our Community
As is obvious from our website, our community is heavily involved with educating people about what they must know and do in order to save their souls, which is the most important work of charity with which anyone could be involved. “Without faith it is impossible to please God” (Heb. 11:6). And without the Catholic faith it is impossible to be saved. Therefore, our work as Catholic Benedictine monks – especially in this time of the great apostasy – necessarily involves educating Catholics about the true dogmas of the Church and condemning the heresies that are rampant today. Our work also deeply involves exposing the counterfeit Catholic Church of the Vatican II sect, which is deceiving millions of those who profess to be Catholic. This counterfeit Vatican II sect – with its antipopes – is the primary enemy of Jesus Christ today. It is most dangerous for the salvation of souls because it purports to be the Catholic Church but it is not. This is why we dedicate much effort to exposing it.
We also work and pray for the salvation of all non-Catholics, producing and distributing mass quantities of information with the goal of converting them to the one true faith, outside of which no one can be saved. In our apostolic work (called an “apostolate”), we have distributed almost 1 million copies of our videos, audios, DVDs and books. The material that we have distributed and continue to distribute covers a wide variety of topics that are essential, including (to name a few): the necessity of prayer; the eternity and pains of Hell; the shortness of life; miraculous conversion stories; the authenticity of Sacred Scripture; the special creation of the earth; the refutation of the theory of evolution; the miracles and marvels of the Catholic saints; the importance of the message of Fatima; the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin; the Communist and Freemasonic plot against the Catholic Church; the evils of Rock Music; the false and invalid New Mass; the false Second Vatican Council; the false Vatican II antipopes; the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation; and many others.
We also have spoken personally to thousands concerning the true Catholic faith and a person’s obligation to profess it.
Our Community is dedicated first and foremost to Jesus Christ, our Savior, and the worship of the Most Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Ghost)– the One True God – and the profession of the Catholic faith whole and inviolate. Secondly, our Community is deeply dedicated to the promotion of the Holy Rosary as the primary private devotion for a Catholic. Just as without the faith it is impossible to please God, so it is true that without a strong prayer life it is impossible to be saved. We especially promote the 15 decade Rosary, which the monks recite each day. We believe that the 15 decade Rosary is the key to the salvation of many souls and we encourage everyone to attempt to say it and promote it to others. The monks have personally witnessed the incredible transformation in the lives of many people through the 15 decade Rosary. The power of the Holy Rosary is truly amazing, and God has revealed that He has conferred even more efficacy upon the Holy Rosary in our dark days. St. Louis De Montfort recommends one set of mysteries at three different times in the day as an effective way to say the entire Rosary each day. We believe that the salvation of millions of souls hinges upon the practice of a true devotion to the Mother of God and the necessary foundation of a pure profession of the true Catholic faith.
In addition to the above, our community practices (and encourages others to practice) devotion to saints, not only by getting to know their extraordinary devotion to God by learning about their lives, but also by praying to them to intercede with God for us. We have posted on our website a few prayers to saints that we recommend (and we plan to add more). At Most Holy Family Monastery we recite at least one prayer each day to St. Benedict (our founder), St. Therese of Lisieux, St. Michael the Archangel, Jacinta the shepherdess of Fatima, St. Joseph, and St. Jude.



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