Michael Voris in a carefully scripted transcript has not said that Barbara Bush and Billy Graham are in Hell according to Vatican Council II and that this is the official teaching of the Catholic Church.
He says it is important to be Catholic to be saved but does not say that all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7).
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
...God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Barbara Bush and Billy Graham did not have Catholic 'faith' which includes the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Church.
Recently Cardinal Vince Nicols told the BBC that the Catholic Church does not say that any one person is in Hell.This is false and the liberals keep repeating this new found doctrine of theirs.The Church does say that there are particular persons in Hell. We can name them.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus tells us that all non Catholics whom we meet are oriented to Hell unless they are incorporated into the Catholic Church as members.
Vatican Council II(AG 7) confirms the same teaching.
All need faith and baptism forsalvation(AG 7).
Most people on earth die without faith and baptism and are oriented to Hell.We know who does not have faith and baptism in 2018.We know who has died without faith and baptism and so would be in Hell.1
All need faith and baptism forsalvation(AG 7).
Most people on earth die without faith and baptism and are oriented to Hell.We know who does not have faith and baptism in 2018.We know who has died without faith and baptism and so would be in Hell.1
Since Michael Voris is not sure of his theology in this Vortex he has restricted himself to philosophy.
So of course the Church says that it knows of any one person and even many people being oriented to Hell.
The norm is membership in the Church with faith and baptism. This is the ordinary way of salvation.So this is the norm by which we can judge that Barbara Bush and Billy Graham are in Hell since they did not convert into the Catholic Church. They did not live the Gospel as it was traditionally taught in the Church.They were outside the Church.
We know that many people are in Hell, since they have died as non Catholics or they have died in manifest mortal sin.
They are also in Hell since we humans cannot name any exception.
Cardinal Vince Nicols for example does not know of any exception.How can he judge? Only Jesus can know of an exception.
He cannot say that any one person is an exception to the norm. He cannot guess or judge that a particular person, though not a member of the Catholic Church is an exception.He cannot name any names. He cannot judge that a particular person living in mortal sin, is not going to Hell or is not in Hell.
They are also in Hell since we humans cannot name any exception.
Cardinal Vince Nicols for example does not know of any exception.How can he judge? Only Jesus can know of an exception.
He cannot say that any one person is an exception to the norm. He cannot guess or judge that a particular person, though not a member of the Catholic Church is an exception.He cannot name any names. He cannot judge that a particular person living in mortal sin, is not going to Hell or is not in Hell.
This is how the Holy Spirit guided the Church on faith and morals over the centuries.Why should there be a change now?
But Cardinal Vince Nicols and Michael Voris is confused. For them invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance would be exceptions to outside the Church there is no salvation.
They would be confused with this passage in Ad Gentes 7
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)-Ad Gentes 7
Being saved in invincible ignorance is not the norm. Also it can only be known to God. So it is always a hypothetical case for us, it refers to a physically invisible person in the present times.
-Lionel Andrades
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APRIL 1, 2018
Cardinal Nicols says that the Catholic Church does not say that any one person is in Hell. This is false http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/cardinl-nicols-says-that-catholic.html
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APRIL 8, 2018
Fr.Paul McDonald is really saying he supports an exclusivist ecclesiology with no dual conclusions, heterodox passages, no passages against EENS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/frpaul-mcdonald-is-really-saying.html
APRIL 7, 2018
Even Vatican II says every one on the face of the earth is called to become a member of the Mystical Body ( the Catholic Church)- Fr.Paul McDonald , Fatima Center http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/even-vatican-ii-says-every-one-on-face.htm
Of course the Church says that there are people in Hell in the present times: the Catechisms and Vatican Council II support Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/of-course-church-says-that-there-are.html
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