Vatican Council II only affirms and ecumenism of return.I repeat Vatican Council II only affirms an ecumenism of return.Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Nostra Aetate 2, Gaudium et Spes 22, Ad Gentes 11( seeds of the Word),Lumen Gentium 8(elements of sanctification and truth/susbist it in, LG 16 (invincible ignorance/good conscience) etc refer to speculative, theoretical and hypothetical cases in 2018. They were invisible cases in the past too and so never were exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.They are not exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. Invisible and unknown people cannot be known examples of Christians saved in their religion. So there is no basis for the new ecumenism in Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II only affirms an ecumenism of return.
The following are some examples of the only hypothetically cases mentioned in Vatican Council II.
For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. - Unitatis redintegratio 3,Vatican Council II
Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church - Unitatis Redintegratio 3,Vatican Council II
It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation.-UR 3
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way.-Gaudium et Spes 22
For, since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.-Gaudium et Spes 22
let them(Christians) be familiar with their national and religious traditions; let them gladly and reverently lay bare the seeds of the Word which lie hidden among their fellows. -Ad Gentes 11
None of the above quotations refer to known people. We do not know any one saved in imperfect communion with the Church.We cannot know of any one saved outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church. They are not examples of objectively seen, Christians who are saved outside the Church.We do not know of any one from the separated Churches and communities saved outside the Catholic Church. So if there are no known cases then how can there be exceptions to EENS ?.
We do not know of men of good will, Christians and non Christians, saved outside the Catholic Church and we humans cannot know of any one saved outside the Catholic Church, without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) and instead with the 'seeds of the Word'.
We do not know of men of good will, Christians and non Christians, saved outside the Catholic Church and we humans cannot know of any one saved outside the Catholic Church, without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) and instead with the 'seeds of the Word'.
Vatican Council II nowhere contradicts the dogma EENS.So there can only be an ecumenism of return.
There is no theological basis for the new ecumenism. It is only by wrongly assuming hypothetical cases are real people saved outside the Church, that it was said by the liberal theologians , that there is known salvation outside the Church.Then the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus then became obsolete.
In principle the Vatican Council II Fathers assumed hypothetical cases were not hypothetical but objectively visible.
In principle they assumed people in Heaven are objectively visible on earth.
In principle they assumed that we can know of non Catholics on earth saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
In general, as a norm, the Principle of Non Contradiction was violated.What is invisible was inferred to be visible.Then non traditional conclusions were made.This error in reasoning comes from the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.
Once this is understood we can always interpret Vatican Council II as affirming an ecumenism of return only.-Lionel Andrades
APRIL 14, 2018
APRIL 14, 2018
Michael Voris can still choose the alternative interpretation of Vatican Council II and try to bring the truth out in a way which will not offend the Archdiocese http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/michael-voris-can-still-choose.html
APRIL 14, 2018
Liberals would protest if Ferrara, Mattei and Fr.Zuhlsdorf interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with Feeneyite EENS, Syllabus of Errors and an ecumenism of return based on the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/liberals-would-protest-if-ferrara.html
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