When I affirm EENS I am also affirming Vatican Council II and all the Catechisms and the statements of the popes on this issue.

Comments from the blog The Eponymous Flower ,Meeting of Conservative Catholics in Rome Addresses Concern About Church’s Course

Some anonymous commenters here are upset since I am not projecting Vatican Council II as a rupture with Feeneyite EENs or EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.For some 70 plus years this was the new thinking in the Church.

Since they infer that LG 8, LG 16 etc refer to known people;known non Catholics, saved outside the Church, Vatican Council II is a rupture with traditional EENS.

This is irrational for me. LG 8,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc refer to unknown people in the present times or the past. This is common sense. If someone was saved as such it would only be  known to God. So they are not on earth to be exceptions to EENS.

So Vatican Council II for me never ever was an exception to EENS or a rupture with the past ecclesiology of an ecumenism of return.

So when I affirm EENS I am also affirming Vatican Council II and all the Catechisms and the statements of the popes on this issue.

For example when Mystici Corporis and the Catechisms of Pius X and Trent mention the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, they are referring to unknown and invisible cases in real life. So they never ever were exceptions to EENS according to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.

The Catholic Church has infalliblty pronounced the dogma EENS and there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II. The Council- text supports 'the rigorist interpretation' of the dogma EENS and suggests that all who have died outside the Church without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) are lost.-Lionel Andrades

https://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2018/04/meeting-of-conservative-catholics-in.html?showComment=1523618455457#c5153879438076181796

APRIL 8, 2018

Fr.Paul McDonald is really saying he supports an exclusivist ecclesiology with no dual conclusions, heterodox passages, no passages against EENS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/frpaul-mcdonald-is-really-saying.html

APRIL 7, 2018

Even Vatican II says every one on the face of the earth is called to become a member of the Mystical Body ( the Catholic Church)- Fr.Paul McDonald , Fatima Center http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/even-vatican-ii-says-every-one-on-face.htm

APRIL 9, 2018

Is Vatican Council II a rupture with EENS? This is crucial. Since if there is no rupture with Feeneyite EENS then it means the old ecclesiology is intact

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/is-vatican-council-ii-rupture-with-eens.html