Excommunication of SSPX faithful: LMS Press Release
In light of recent events in the Diocese of Buffalo, New York,
I'm reposting this from November 2014
I'm reposting this from November 2014
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4 NOVEMBER 2014
PRESS RELEASE ON THE STATUS OF THE
FAITHFUL WHO RECEIVE THE SACRAMENTS
FROM PRIESTS AND BISHOPS OF THE
SOCIETY OF ST PIUS X.FROM THE
LATIN MASS SOCIETY
COMMENT: letters from the Bishop Semeraro of Albano
, Italy, and then from Bishop Sarlinga of Zárate-Campana
in Argentina, have declared that the lay faithful who receive
the sacraments from priests and bishops of the Society
of St Pius X (SSPX) are automatically excommunicated,
and would need to go through a process authorised by the
bishop to be readmitted to communion with the Church
(i.e., not simply confession).
, Italy, and then from Bishop Sarlinga of Zárate-Campana
in Argentina, have declared that the lay faithful who receive
the sacraments from priests and bishops of the Society
of St Pius X (SSPX) are automatically excommunicated,
and would need to go through a process authorised by the
bishop to be readmitted to communion with the Church
(i.e., not simply confession).
Lionel: He means that the SSPX must
affirm Vatican Council II with the
irrational premise ( which they are
already doing) and accept the non
traditional and heretical conclusion,
which is a rupture with Tradition( which
they are not doing) and this conclusion,
is normal and acceptable for the Vatican
and Bishop Semararo.
affirm Vatican Council II with the
irrational premise ( which they are
already doing) and accept the non
traditional and heretical conclusion,
which is a rupture with Tradition( which
they are not doing) and this conclusion,
is normal and acceptable for the Vatican
and Bishop Semararo.
So the SSPX does not affirm Vatican
Council II without the irrational
premise and traditional conclusion and
so our faulted. They also do not
affirm Vatican Council II with the
irrational premise, like the two
pope, and so are considered
doctrinally irregular.
Council II without the irrational
premise and traditional conclusion and
so our faulted. They also do not
affirm Vatican Council II with the
irrational premise, like the two
pope, and so are considered
doctrinally irregular.
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The Latin Mass Society holds no brief to defend the position
of the SSPX, which is canonically irregular, but feels it necessary
to point out that these letters are not just ill-considered but
have potentially very serious pastoral consequences.
of the SSPX, which is canonically irregular, but feels it necessary
to point out that these letters are not just ill-considered but
have potentially very serious pastoral consequences.
Lionel: The Latin Mass Society like Bishop
Semararo also interprets Vatican Council
II with the irrational premise and this
is a rupture with the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus and the
past exclusivist ecclesiology of the
Church. This novelty is heretical even
though it is magisterial and in line with
the liberals. It is also a rupture with
the ecclesiology of the Traditional
Latin Mass of the Mass.It is
schism with the past popes.
Semararo also interprets Vatican Council
II with the irrational premise and this
is a rupture with the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus and the
past exclusivist ecclesiology of the
Church. This novelty is heretical even
though it is magisterial and in line with
the liberals. It is also a rupture with
the ecclesiology of the Traditional
Latin Mass of the Mass.It is
schism with the past popes.
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They imply that anyone who has ever been to Mass said by a
priest of the SSPX is not welcome in the churches of these
dioceses. This conflicts not only with the ‘opening of hearts’
requested by Pope Benedict XVI as a prelude to a healing of
these divisions ‘in the heart of the Church’, but equally
with the emphasis on mercy of Pope Francis.
priest of the SSPX is not welcome in the churches of these
dioceses. This conflicts not only with the ‘opening of hearts’
requested by Pope Benedict XVI as a prelude to a healing of
these divisions ‘in the heart of the Church’, but equally
with the emphasis on mercy of Pope Francis.
Lionel: The SSPX cannot officially
use the churches in Rome for Holy
Mass since they do not inform
the Vatican that Vatican Council
II is acceptable without the false
premise and they affirm it. It is
not a rupture with Tradition. They
would meet the canonical requirement
to accept Vatican Council II.
Though it would not be the
interpretation of the liberals.
Since it would mean that the SSPX
affirm the strict interpretation
of the dogma EENS. For them Fr.
Leonard Feeney of Boston would
be orthodox and the Letter of
the Holy Office 1949.It would be
irrational to assume invisible
cases of the baptism of
desire etc are visible exceptions
to traditional EENS.
use the churches in Rome for Holy
Mass since they do not inform
the Vatican that Vatican Council
II is acceptable without the false
premise and they affirm it. It is
not a rupture with Tradition. They
would meet the canonical requirement
to accept Vatican Council II.
Though it would not be the
interpretation of the liberals.
Since it would mean that the SSPX
affirm the strict interpretation
of the dogma EENS. For them Fr.
Leonard Feeney of Boston would
be orthodox and the Letter of
the Holy Office 1949.It would be
irrational to assume invisible
cases of the baptism of
desire etc are visible exceptions
to traditional EENS.
Instead the SSPX website shows
that they accept the Letter of the
Holy Office 1949 which is heretical
since it changes the traditional
interpretation of EENS.It is also a
rejection of the old ecclesiology
upon which depended the ecumenism
of return etc.
that they accept the Letter of the
Holy Office 1949 which is heretical
since it changes the traditional
interpretation of EENS.It is also a
rejection of the old ecclesiology
upon which depended the ecumenism
of return etc.
So the onus still lies with the
SSPX to correct its theological
and doctrinal error, even if
it is shared by the Vatican and
Bishop Semararo.
SSPX to correct its theological
and doctrinal error, even if
it is shared by the Vatican and
Bishop Semararo.
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CANON LAW BRIEFING: In light of canonical advice
from our National Chaplain and Canonical Adviser, Mgr
Gordon Read, the Latin Mass Society would like to clarify
some canonical principles in relation to the recent statements
of Bishop Semeraro of Albano, Italy, and Bishop Sarlinga
of Zárate-Campana in Argentina, lest misunderstandings
spread to dioceses around the world.
from our National Chaplain and Canonical Adviser, Mgr
Gordon Read, the Latin Mass Society would like to clarify
some canonical principles in relation to the recent statements
of Bishop Semeraro of Albano, Italy, and Bishop Sarlinga
of Zárate-Campana in Argentina, lest misunderstandings
spread to dioceses around the world.
Lionel:
Msgr.Gordon Read himself
interprets and accepts Vatican
Council II as a rupture with
Tradition. Since he uses an
irrational premise to create
a non traditional conclusion.
This is a liberal reading of Vatican
Council II with a false reasoning
and it would be expected of
him by the liberal bishops there.
interprets and accepts Vatican
Council II as a rupture with
Tradition. Since he uses an
irrational premise to create
a non traditional conclusion.
This is a liberal reading of Vatican
Council II with a false reasoning
and it would be expected of
him by the liberal bishops there.
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1. Basing a canonical argument on the assumption that
the Society of Pius X (SSPX) has no canonical status
in the Church and that its priests are suspended following
ordination without dimissorial letters, it does not follow
that to seek the sacraments at their hands is an act of
formal schism on the part of the lay faithful.
the Society of Pius X (SSPX) has no canonical status
in the Church and that its priests are suspended following
ordination without dimissorial letters, it does not follow
that to seek the sacraments at their hands is an act of
formal schism on the part of the lay faithful.
a. Such a conclusion conflicts with the lifting of the
excommunication of the bishops of the SSPX by
Pope Benedict XVI in 2009: it would be incongruous
for the legislator to lift the excommunication of the
bishops while imposing or maintaining it on the lay
faithful to whom they minister.
excommunication of the bishops of the SSPX by
Pope Benedict XVI in 2009: it would be incongruous
for the legislator to lift the excommunication of the
bishops while imposing or maintaining it on the lay
faithful to whom they minister.
b. It also conflicts with the provision in canon law for
the effects of suspension or excommunication of a priest
to be lifted when someone approaches the priest subject
to the penalty in order to receive a sacrament (canon 1335).
the effects of suspension or excommunication of a priest
to be lifted when someone approaches the priest subject
to the penalty in order to receive a sacrament (canon 1335).
Lionel: From my perspective the
SSPX is not affirming Vatican
Council II in harmony with
the past exclusivist understanding
of salvation since it infers that
unknown cases of LG 8, LG 14,
LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc
are known examples of salvation
outside the Church, even when
they cannot name any such
known cases in the present
times. So the fault does lie
with the SSPX.
SSPX is not affirming Vatican
Council II in harmony with
the past exclusivist understanding
of salvation since it infers that
unknown cases of LG 8, LG 14,
LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc
are known examples of salvation
outside the Church, even when
they cannot name any such
known cases in the present
times. So the fault does lie
with the SSPX.
They could affirm Vatican Council
II and EENS with hypothetical
cases just being hypothetical
and not objective examples of
salvation outside the Church.
Presently they have created a
rupture with the past popes, a
rupture between faith and reason
and a rupture with logic. The
onus to correct all this doctrinal
confusion lies with the SSPX.
II and EENS with hypothetical
cases just being hypothetical
and not objective examples of
salvation outside the Church.
Presently they have created a
rupture with the past popes, a
rupture between faith and reason
and a rupture with logic. The
onus to correct all this doctrinal
confusion lies with the SSPX.
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2. Excommunication by adherence to a schism can only
be incurred where there is both a schismatic intention
and an external act (canon 1321).
be incurred where there is both a schismatic intention
and an external act (canon 1321).
a. It is clear therefore that excommunication is not incurred
by those seeking the sacraments at the hands of priests
of the SSPX without a schismatic intention.
by those seeking the sacraments at the hands of priests
of the SSPX without a schismatic intention.
Lionel: The SSPX bishops and
priests like the lay faithful
have interpreted the Nicene
Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II
and all the Catechisms with an
irrational premise to create a
non traditional and heretical
conclusion supported by
the liberals at the Vatican.
They have a rational and
traditional alternative and they
do not use it.
priests like the lay faithful
have interpreted the Nicene
Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II
and all the Catechisms with an
irrational premise to create a
non traditional and heretical
conclusion supported by
the liberals at the Vatican.
They have a rational and
traditional alternative and they
do not use it.
If this happened in the 16th
century the SSPX bishops and priests
would have been excommunicated.
century the SSPX bishops and priests
would have been excommunicated.
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b. Were a member of the lay faithful to incur excommunication
by a schismatic intention, this would be a matter of the
private forum (the confessional), and not the public forum.
by a schismatic intention, this would be a matter of the
private forum (the confessional), and not the public forum.
Lionel: The SSPX's heretical
interpretation of magisterial
documents has been reported
on line in numerous reports.
There is no denial.
interpretation of magisterial
documents has been reported
on line in numerous reports.
There is no denial.
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c. Those under the age of sixteen cannot in any case incur
a penalty (canon 1323.1); this would apply to those
under this age who received baptism or confirmation.
a penalty (canon 1323.1); this would apply to those
under this age who received baptism or confirmation.
Lionel: To interpret magisterial
documents as a rupture with
the past is a rejection of de
fide teachings.This would
be heretical. It would be
a mortal sin of faith.
documents as a rupture with
the past is a rejection of de
fide teachings.This would
be heretical. It would be
a mortal sin of faith.
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3. The attitude of the Holy See has always been
that lay faithful who receive the sacraments
from priests of the SSPX are not excommunicated.
Examples are as follows.
that lay faithful who receive the sacraments
from priests of the SSPX are not excommunicated.
Examples are as follows.
a. In 1991 Bishop Joseph Ferrario of Honolulu
declared six lay Catholics excommunicated on
grounds of schism for having procured the services
of an SSPX bishop to administer confirmation.
These appealed to the Holy See which, though
Cardinal Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith, declared the
decree invalid because their action, though
considered blameworthy, did not constitute schism.
declared six lay Catholics excommunicated on
grounds of schism for having procured the services
of an SSPX bishop to administer confirmation.
These appealed to the Holy See which, though
Cardinal Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith, declared the
decree invalid because their action, though
considered blameworthy, did not constitute schism.
b. On 5th September 2005, the Holy See, through
the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, affirmed
that ‘the faithful who attend the Masses of the
aforesaid Fraternity are not excommunicates,
and the priests who celebrate them are not,
either—the latter are, in fact, suspended.’
(Protcol n.55/2005, signed by the then Secretary
of the PCED, Mgr Camille Perl)
the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, affirmed
that ‘the faithful who attend the Masses of the
aforesaid Fraternity are not excommunicates,
and the priests who celebrate them are not,
either—the latter are, in fact, suspended.’
(Protcol n.55/2005, signed by the then Secretary
of the PCED, Mgr Camille Perl)
c. On 27th September 2002, quoted and reaffirmed
on 18th January 2003, the Holy See, through the
Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, stated that
‘In the strict sense you may fulfil your Sunday
obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by
a priest of the Society of St. Pius X.’ (Letters
signed by Mgr Camille Perl).
on 18th January 2003, the Holy See, through the
Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, stated that
‘In the strict sense you may fulfil your Sunday
obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by
a priest of the Society of St. Pius X.’ (Letters
signed by Mgr Camille Perl).
Lionel: Ecclesia Dei,CDF like
the Latin Mass Society and
Bishops and Cardinals in
England interpret Magisterial
documents, mixing up what
is invisible as being visible,
unknown as being known,
hypothetical as being
objectively visible in the
present times.This is the
liberality of Cardinal Joseph
Ratzinger and Fr. Luiz Ladaria
S.j in two theological papers
of the International
Theological Commission,
Vatican.
The magisterium
is confused on this
issue. They violate the Principle
of Non Contradiction and create
a rupture with the past popes
on EENS.
the Latin Mass Society and
Bishops and Cardinals in
England interpret Magisterial
documents, mixing up what
is invisible as being visible,
unknown as being known,
hypothetical as being
objectively visible in the
present times.This is the
liberality of Cardinal Joseph
Ratzinger and Fr. Luiz Ladaria
S.j in two theological papers
of the International
Theological Commission,
Vatican.
The magisterium
is confused on this
issue. They violate the Principle
of Non Contradiction and create
a rupture with the past popes
on EENS.
I keep writing about this
so that the error is corrected.
so that the error is corrected.
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BACKGROUND
Bishop Marcello Semeraro of Albano, Italy, in a
letter to his diocese dated 14th October 2014, declared:
letter to his diocese dated 14th October 2014, declared:
The Catholic faithful cannot participate at Mass, neither
request and/or receive Sacraments from or in the
Society. Acting otherwise would mean to break
communion with the Catholic Church.
request and/or receive Sacraments from or in the
Society. Acting otherwise would mean to break
communion with the Catholic Church.
Lionel: He means it would
a break in communion with
the Catholic Church in which
the present Magisterium
expects all the faithful to
use a false premise to interpret
Vatican Council II as a rupture
with Tradition and which it is
definitely not.
a break in communion with
the Catholic Church in which
the present Magisterium
expects all the faithful to
use a false premise to interpret
Vatican Council II as a rupture
with Tradition and which it is
definitely not.
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Therefore, any Catholic faithful who requests and
receives Sacraments in the Society of Saint Pius
X, will place himself de facto in the condition
of no longer being in communion with the Catholic
Church. A readmission to the Catholic Church
must be preceded by an adequate personal
path of reconciliation, according to the ecclesiastical
discipline established by the Bishop.
receives Sacraments in the Society of Saint Pius
X, will place himself de facto in the condition
of no longer being in communion with the Catholic
Church. A readmission to the Catholic Church
must be preceded by an adequate personal
path of reconciliation, according to the ecclesiastical
discipline established by the Bishop.
Bishop Semeraro is coincidentally the Secretary to
the Council of Cardinals set up to advise the Pope.
Albano is the location of the Italian headquarters
of the SSPX.
the Council of Cardinals set up to advise the Pope.
Albano is the location of the Italian headquarters
of the SSPX.
Lionel: It is the responsibility
of the SSPX to inform the
Council of Cardinals that they
endorse Vatican Council II in
harmony with the dogma
EENS according to the missionaries
and Magisterium of the 16th century
and they expect Bishop Semararo
to do the same. Otherwise they
would consider him automatically
excommunicated.
of the SSPX to inform the
Council of Cardinals that they
endorse Vatican Council II in
harmony with the dogma
EENS according to the missionaries
and Magisterium of the 16th century
and they expect Bishop Semararo
to do the same. Otherwise they
would consider him automatically
excommunicated.
_______________________________
Bishop Óscar Sarlinga of Zárate-Campana in Argentina,
in a letter to his diocese dated 3rd November 2014, declared:
in a letter to his diocese dated 3rd November 2014, declared:
-It is not licit for the Catholic faithful to take part in the
celebration of Mass in these conditions, neither to request
nor to receive sacraments from the priests of the
aforementioned "Society of Saint Pius X", including
in private places turned into places of worship, without
excluding, in case of obstinacy, also the ferendae
sententiae penalties that may apply, according to the
ecclesial spirit and that of protection of the faithful.
celebration of Mass in these conditions, neither to request
nor to receive sacraments from the priests of the
aforementioned "Society of Saint Pius X", including
in private places turned into places of worship, without
excluding, in case of obstinacy, also the ferendae
sententiae penalties that may apply, according to the
ecclesial spirit and that of protection of the faithful.
- In the case of the rupture of ecclesiastical communion
by the above-mentioned founded motives, in order
to be later readmitted to the Catholic Church, a
personal path of reconciliation (and eventually
of removal of the canonical censure) will be
required, according to the discipline advised by
the Holy See and the [diocese's] own, established
by the diocesan bishop.
by the above-mentioned founded motives, in order
to be later readmitted to the Catholic Church, a
personal path of reconciliation (and eventually
of removal of the canonical censure) will be
required, according to the discipline advised by
the Holy See and the [diocese's] own, established
by the diocesan bishop.
Lionel: The SSPX needs to
inform this bishop that he
is in schism with the past
popes on the issue of extra
ecclesiam nulla salus.How can
invisible and unknown people
be a rupture with the dogma EENS?
inform this bishop that he
is in schism with the past
popes on the issue of extra
ecclesiam nulla salus.How can
invisible and unknown people
be a rupture with the dogma EENS?
He has also heretically interpreted
Vatican Council II with a false
premise to create a rupture
with the Syllabus of Errors and
the past ecclesiology of the
Church. Perhaps he does this
due to ignorance. However
if this continues even after he
is informed then
this would be deception,
ecclesiastical deception.
Vatican Council II with a false
premise to create a rupture
with the Syllabus of Errors and
the past ecclesiology of the
Church. Perhaps he does this
due to ignorance. However
if this continues even after he
is informed then
this would be deception,
ecclesiastical deception.
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The Latin Mass Society, founded in 1965,
promotes and supports the celebration of the
Traditional Mass and sacraments (Extraordinary
Form, Vetus Ordo) within the official structures
of the Church and with the permission and
cooperation of the bishops and the Holy See.
promotes and supports the celebration of the
Traditional Mass and sacraments (Extraordinary
Form, Vetus Ordo) within the official structures
of the Church and with the permission and
cooperation of the bishops and the Holy See.
Lionel: The 'official structures
of the Church' only permit an
irrational interpretation of
Magisterial documents which
create a rupture with the
ecclesiology of the Traditional
Latin Mass over the centuries.So
the Latin Mass Society in England,
has the cooperation of the
British bishops and the Holy See.
of the Church' only permit an
irrational interpretation of
Magisterial documents which
create a rupture with the
ecclesiology of the Traditional
Latin Mass over the centuries.So
the Latin Mass Society in England,
has the cooperation of the
British bishops and the Holy See.
To deny the Catholic faith on
salvation is a mortal sin.
Presently the Latin Mass Society
denies the Faith on salvation,
in principle, in doctrine
and also in practise,
pastorally at inter-faith
meetings, RCIA, catechetics
etc.
Dr.Joseph Shaw recently
criticized the Traditional Latin Mass
( TLM)of Bishop Richard Williamson.
He could not see the beauty of
the TLM offered by Bishop
Williamson and his community.
The LMS members offer/attend
the TLM with the same ecclesiology
as Mass in English. Only this is
permitted.The New Ecclesiology and New
Theology at the TLM is the same as that of
the Novus Ordo Mass.-Lionel Andrades
salvation is a mortal sin.
Presently the Latin Mass Society
denies the Faith on salvation,
in principle, in doctrine
and also in practise,
pastorally at inter-faith
meetings, RCIA, catechetics
etc.
Dr.Joseph Shaw recently
criticized the Traditional Latin Mass
( TLM)of Bishop Richard Williamson.
He could not see the beauty of
the TLM offered by Bishop
Williamson and his community.
The LMS members offer/attend
the TLM with the same ecclesiology
as Mass in English. Only this is
permitted.The New Ecclesiology and New
Theology at the TLM is the same as that of
the Novus Ordo Mass.-Lionel Andrades
http://www.lmschairman.org/2014/11/excommunication-of-sspx-faithful-lms.html
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Malta and the Catholic bishops of Germany
untruthful and telling a lie
____________________________________________
MAY 6, 2018
German Court would find the Knights ofMalta and the Catholic bishops of Germany
untruthful and telling a lie
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/german-court-would-find-knights-of.html
APRIL 30, 2018
Ask the courts which condemned Alfie Evans...
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/ask-courts-which-condemned-alfie-evans.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/ask-courts-which-condemned-alfie-evans.html
MAY 1, 2018
Catholic Archdiocese of Liverpool has
an anti-Catholic Alder Hey policy on
ecumenism etc : they deceive with
the approval of the CBCEW which
is unethical and possibly illegal
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/the-cathollic-archdiocese-of-liverpool.html
an anti-Catholic Alder Hey policy on
ecumenism etc : they deceive with
the approval of the CBCEW which
is unethical and possibly illegal
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/the-cathollic-archdiocese-of-liverpool.html
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