Monday, May 7, 2018

Monsgr.Antonio Livi will not answer questions and neither will Gloria TV

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I have sent Monsignor Antonio Livi these questions in Italian and English and he still cannot answer them. Over the years I have been e-mailing these blog posts to him.
Recently in an interview with Gloria TV has criticized the theology of Pope Benedict as being heretical but has not said that Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Whatever is his opinion on Fr. Leonard Feeney and Pope Pius XII he has to agree that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only. So they cannot be objective exceptions to the dogma EENS. We cannot meet or see any one saved as such outside the Church.So Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.
Also the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are theoretical cases for us, speculation. We cannot meet any one saved as such with or without the baptism of water. They would only be in Heaven.
For there to be an exception to EENS the person must be there on earth.
In a box of apples if there is one orange in the middle then that orange is an exception since it is different from the other fruit but also - because it exists there in that box. If it was not there it would not be an exception.
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Similarly there are no known cases of BOD,BOB and I.I in our reality so the Magisterium made a mistake in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case. This gave birth to a new theology, based on this irratiional premise, which was used at Vatican Council II and then supported by Cardinal Ratzinger in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1994.


1.Mons. Livi do you agree that there is an  irrational reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) which rejects traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) ? And this reasoning is responsible for the false theology of the popes which you mentioned in the recent  interview with Gloria TV  ?
2. So unlike the popes and saints of the past Mons. Livi do you  consider the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being physically invisible cases . Or instead, like the liberal theologians in 1949 and then 1965 you, Mons. Livi  will interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as being known people, physically visibleexamples of salvation outside the Church.?
 3. Mons. Livi  no more affirms the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church since visible for him BOD, BOB and I.I are objective exceptions to traditional EENS while it is not the same for Lionel on Lionel's Blog, why ? What is the difference?

4. Mons.Livi interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc refer to known people, saved outside the Catholic  Church, even when there cannot be any such known people, agreed?

5.This is also the official irrational reasoning among liberals  to eliminate the Syllabus of Errors on the Old Ecumenism of Return, the Old Theology based on invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I and the Old Ecclesiology which was exclusivist and ecclesiocentric.This was the theology of Mons. Livi when he was a professor at the St.John Lateran University, Rome.?

6. Mons. Livi doctrinally has rejected the dogma EENS and so also in practise( pastorally) at interfaith meetings, catechesis for adults, Religion classes at school etc, this would be his understanding of Vatican Council II, a rupture with EENS?

 7. For Mons.Livi Vatican Council II does not  support the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism, other religions,exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church etc but on Lionel's Blog it does.Why the difference? Both are reading the same Vatican Council II text and the interpretations are different?

8.Mons. Livi does  interpret  BOD, BOB and I.I (which common sense indicates are hypothetical cases) as referring to visible people, saved outside the Church,  in the present times and so in this way is like Fr. Hans Kung s.j,  Fr. Karl Rahner s.j , Fr.Jacques Dupuis s.j and Fr. Joseph Ratzinger ? This is assumed since for him there are objective exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so the dogma defined by three Church Councils is rejected by Vatican Council II ? There would have to be visible people for them to be exceptions to EENS ? But this is not the interpretation of Lionel ?

9.So on salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially  and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet Mons. Livi does not comment on this ? Since he makes the same mistake? 
-Lionel Andrades

MAY 3, 2018
Questions Mons.Livi should have been asked in the interview with Gloria TV

MAY 4, 2018

Le domande a cui Msgr. Antonio Livi non è stato chiesto nella recente intervista con Gloria TV

MAY 3, 2018

All the popes from John XIII have been promoting a heretical theology at Vatican Council II says Mons. Antonio Livi . He does not say that without a false premise the theology changes and then Vatican Council II automatically has the Old Theology and Old Ecclesiolgy


Ratzinger Is not a Solution to the Present Problems


All The Popes Since Vatican II Had Sympathies for Neo-Modernism

Talking to, Monsignor Antonio Livi, a former dean and professor at the Roman Lateran University, pointed out that all popes since Second Vatican Council have had an attitude of esteem regarding heretical neo-modernism, including Benedict XVI who confessed that he basically agreed with the heretical theologian Karl Rahner. As a pope, Benedict even received the anti-Church theologian Hans Küng.

Ratzinger Is not a Solution to the Present Problems

To the question whether Joseph Ratzinger’s theology could lead out of the present crisis, Monsignor Livi replies: “absolutely not”. Livi explains that as a theologian Ratzinger is under neo-Protestant influence and opposed to the old Scholastic theology which has a rational rather than a sentimental, approach to the understanding of the faith.

Already Benedict XVI Avoided Magisterial Teaching

According to Livi, the documents published by Benedict XVI are theology, not magisterial documents. In these documents, Benedict XVI discusses with other theologians and he is less interested to re-propose the Catholic faith and to defend it from errors. Further, Livi points out that Benedict XVI spent months and months of his short pontificate to write theological books which he published as a private man.

The Ideology of “Modern Man”

Monsignore Livi points out that since John XXIII the opinion emerged that the Church must “translate” Catholic Dogma into a language comprehensible for – quote – “modern man”. Livi calls this a “myth” and “phantasy” because a “modern man” does not exist, only many modern men who are very different among each other. Livi explains that the category of “modern man” is taken from what newspapers or the media say. But – so Livi - there is more inside the soul of a human being than what the ideology of “modern man” wants us to believe.

The “New Pentecost” Is Oppressive

Monsignor Livi points out that the neo-modernist pastoral practice since Vatican II has often been called – quote – “a new Pentecost”. But this turns fallible practical decisions into infallible doctrins. Therefore, in the eyes of the neo-modernists, everybody who criticises their wrong pastoral practice commits a sacrilege and must be oppressed.

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