Thursday, May 3, 2018

Questions Mons.Livi should have been asked in the interview with Gloria TV

The lady who interviewed Monsgr.Antonio Livi  1 was not aware of the false premise being used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II by the liberal English bishops 2, the two popes and also Monsgr. Livi and herself.
Otherwise these are some of the relevant questions she could have asked him. I would have asked him these questions in an interview, if I met him. But may be he  would not understand me .First some background theology would have to be explained to him.
Then I would test to see also if he understood me with these questions.His answers to these questions I would have posted it as an interview.

1.Mons. Livi do you agree that there is an  irrational reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) which rejects traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) ? And this reasoning is responsible for the false theology of the popes which you mentioned in the recent  interview with Gloria TV  ?

2. So unlike the popes and saints of the past Mons. Livi do you  consider the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being physically invisible cases . Or instead, like the liberal theologians in 1949 and then 1965 you, Mons. Livi  will interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as being known people, physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church.?

 3. Mons. Livi  no more affirms the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church since visible for him BOD, BOB and I.I are objective exceptions to traditional EENS while it is not the same for Lionel on Lionel's Blog, why ? What is the difference?

4. Mons.Livi interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc refer to known people, saved outside the Catholic  Church, even when there cannot be any such known people, agreed?

5.This is also the official irrational reasoning among liberals  to eliminate the Syllabus of Errors on the Old Ecumenism of Return, the Old Theology based on invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I and the Old Ecclesiology which was exclusivist and ecclesiocentric.This was the theology of Mons. Livi when he was a professor at the St.John Lateran University, Rome.?

6. Mons. Livi doctrinally has rejected the dogma EENS and so also in practise( pastorally) at interfaith meetings, catechesis for adults, Religion classes at school etc, this would be his understanding of Vatican Council II, a rupture with EENS?

 7. For Mons.Livi Vatican Council II does not  support the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism, other religions,exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church etc but on Lionel's Blog it does.Why the difference? Both are reading the same Vatican Council II text and the interpretations are different?

8.Mons. Livi does  interpret  BOD, BOB and I.I (which common sense indicates are hypothetical cases) as referring to visible people, saved outside the Church,  in the present times and so in this way is like Fr. Hans Kung s.j,  Fr. Karl Rahner s.j , Fr.Jacques Dupuis s.j and Fr. Joseph Ratzinger ? This is assumed since for him there are objective exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so the dogma defined by three Church Councils is rejected by Vatican Council II ? There would have to be visible people for them to be exceptions to EENS ? But this is not the interpretation of Lionel ?

9.So on salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially  and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet Mons. Livi does not comment on this ? Since he makes the same mistake? -Lionel Andrades


MAY 3, 2018

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All the popes from John XIII have been promoting a heretical theology at Vatican Council II says Mons. Antonio Livi . He does not say that without a false premise the theology changes and then Vatican Council II automatically has the Old Theology and Old Ecclesiolgy

MAY 3, 2018

On salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet no one comments on this



Monsignor Antonio Livi Aprile 2018 

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