Comment from the The Deus Ex Machina Blog, Separation Of Church And State” – Requiescat In Pace…
Does Vatican Council II support extra ecclesiam nulla salus for you ? It does for me.
When Vatican Council 2 affirms EENS then Vatican Council II does not contradict an ecumenism of return. When the majority of people are on the way to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7-all need faith and baptism for salvation) then the priority must be the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King and the non separation of Church and State.
So the issue still is how do we interpret Vatican Council II.
There can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II for me, depending upon the premise used. The premise decides the conclusion.
So if Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) is an exception to the dogma EENS then it means that you have inferred that LG 16 refers to a known, non Catholic saved outside the Church, in ignorance and without faith and baptism. Only if there is a known person can there be an exception. Only if someone exists can he be an exception to something.So with known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, there would be a rupture with EENS and Tradition.So this is one conclusion. One interpretation of Vatican Council II.
If like me LG 16 refers to an unknown person in 2018, since I cannot see people saved in Heaven and nor can I judge who on earth will be Heaven without 'faith and baptism', LG 16 is not an exception to the dogma EENS. LG 16 is not a rupture with Tradition.It would be the same with LG 8, LG 14 etc. So this is one conclusion.Since the premise was different(LG 16 refers to an invisible instead of a visible case).So this is another interpretation of Vatican Council II.
With the second interpretation of Vatican Council II , which is rational and traditional and not a rupture with Tradition,we can have a foundation for the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.
But for this to happen we need a unity on theology and doctrine, first among the traditionalists and then the rest of the Catholic community-Lionel Andrades