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JUNE 7, 2015

MICM : Vatican Council II supports Fr.Leonard Feeney on the dogma

I know MICM fairly well, but I do not quite understand the main point of this article.-Twitter
I was trying to make the following 15 points in the blog post : Cardinal Robert Sarah and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary

1.The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (MICM), the St.Benedict Centers, in Worcester and Manchester USA  could inform  Cardinal Robert Sarah, that 
the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since these are invisible cases.A and A+are not exceptions to B
2.So they can accept a Vatican Council II which does not contradict the strict intepretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version.
3. They would have to reject the Vatican Curia's intepretation of Vatican Council II, in which A is an exception to  as being an irrational intepretation
4.The MICM presently also interprets interprets A as being in conflict with B.In other words A is visible to be an exception. 
5.The MICM are affirming Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 and Fr.Leonard Feeney's interpretation when they clarify that A refers to invisible cases, physically not seen or known in the present times.
6. So they attend/offer the Traditional Latin Mass knowing that the ecclesiology of the Catholic Church has not changed over the years, for them.They now have a new choice . They can affirm  A+ and B and so ecclesiology is still traditional. Pre- Vatican Council II and post Vatican Council II ecclesiology will be traditional, in harmony.
7.Theologically and doctrinally the MICM  would be traditional and they do not reject Vatican Council II.Since Vatican Council II would not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
While Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14, on all needing faith and baptism for salvation, supports an ecumenism of return.All need Catholic Faith (AG 7).All  non Christians need to  convert with 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
8.The MICM would accept the first part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 as supporting the dogma and re-interpret the second part as not contradicting the first part, since there are no known cases of A in the present times.Cardinal Marchetti assumed  A contradicted B.The MICM would not be rejecting the Letter (1949)-
9.With the new option, the MICM could interpret CCC 845,846,1257 as supporting the dogma  according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
10.They would interpret the liberal theology in the Catechism of the Catholic Church as referring to hypothetical cases. So they would not be exceptions to the orthodox passages  CCC 845,846,1257 in the Catechism, A would not contradict B.
11.Similarly magisterial documents like Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus would be accepted as  not contradicting  the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 
12.Though these documents do not directly affirm the rigorist interpretation of the dogma, there is no text in these Church documents to contradict the rigorist interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
13.They would be aware of magisterial documents including Vatican Council II being interpreted with an irrational premise and inference by many people. This they would avoid. 
14.Cardinal Robert Sarah's could help by saying A does not conflict with B since it refers to invisible cases for us human beings.
15.Whatever be any one's views on Fr.Leonard  Feeney does not contradict B and so there are no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II, to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called ' an infallible teaching'(Letter of the Holy Office 1949).
-Lionel Andrades

(A) those who  who are saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16, a ray of the Truth (NA 2),imperfect communion with the Church (NA) elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8), seeds of the Word (AG 11)  and good and holy things in other religions (NA ) are :
1) Visible and known to us in the present times.
2) They are saved without the baptism of water ( as if he would know of such a case)  
(B) the rigorist intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus , the Feeneyite version.

A + i,e being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire  followed by the baptism of water, in a manner known only to God.This is the position of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary with reference to the dogma extra ecclesiamnulla salus.
So A+ is also compatible with B.

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