Repost : Bristol University had a discussion on Vatican Council II using the false premise
APRIL 30, 2014
Bristol University had a discussion on Vatican Council II using the false premise
There is still no reply from the University of Bristol to these blog posts which I have sent them. The professors designated as 'experts' for the students to consult, are not replying.Neither is there a denial from the Offices of the Chancellor and Vice Chancellor. The professors of theology also will not defend the university.
If the video on the websites of the University of Bristol and the Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales did not promote an irrationality and cite alleged text in Vatican Council supporting this irrationality,then Prof.Gavin D'Costa would have to say that the Catholic Church teaches,according to Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7), that all the members of the Bristol University Islamic Society and all the Protestant members of the university's Christian Union are on the way to Hell, unless they convert into the Catholic Church.
On October 1, 2013: Gavin D’Costa spoke on The Second Vatican Council: A Disputed Question Examined(Chair: Jon Balserak) presumably using the irrational premise. Then on February 25, 2014: Carmody Grey spoke on the subject Towards a Catholic Environmental Ethics, (Chair: Gavin D’Costa).Is it ethical to promote a false premise and lie about the Catholic Faith ?
1) The video irrationally infers there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the traditonal teaching on all non Catholics needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
It is common knowledge that we humans ( and residents at Bristol) cannot see the dead-saved in Heaven for them to be known exceptions to all needing to enter the Church.The dead who are saved are not visible to us.Prof.Gavin D'Costa and the Bishops of England and Wales cannot name any exception in 2014.However by promoting this false premise of the visible-dead, they are presenting the traditional Catholic teaching on this subject as confusing,vague and mysterious.They are saying all non Catholics need to convert into the Church for salvation (AG 7) and all non Catholics do not need to convert (NA 2 which refers to the visible-dead).
2) In the video Gavin D'Costa indicates Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II mentions an exception to the traditional teaching on salvation in the Church. There is no such text in Vatican Council. Nostra Aetate 2 refers to the possibility of a non Catholic being saved in his religion.It does not state that this is a defacto, known case.So how can it be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus?(1)
The video on the websites of the University of Bristol and the Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales are presenting Nostra Aetate as referring to an exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in the Catholic Church. The video is saying that Nostra Aetate refers to cases that are visible in our reality.In other words they can meet the dead and personally know them.
There is no mention of Ad Gentes 7 on the video.According to Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7), all the members of the the Bristol University Islamic Society and all the Protestant members of the university's Christian Union are on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.This is also the teaching of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church