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Repost : Neither Archbishop Muller or the SSPX leadership is saying that Vatican Council II affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.

JANUARY 21, 2014

Neither Archbishop Muller or the SSPX leadership is saying that Vatican Council II affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.













The Society of St.Pius X and  Archbishop Gerhard Muller do not profess the entire Catholic faith.

'Quite obviously, the Society of St Pius X denies no article of the Creed and professes the entire Catholic faith' - SSPX, DICI news 

Lionel: The Society of St.Pius X like Archbishop Gerhard Muller do not profess the entire Catholic faith.
In the Nicene Creed we pray 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin'. This is the baptism of water. There is one known baptism, the baptism of water. There are not three known baptisms, the baptisms of water, desire and blood.The baptism of desire and blood are known only to God. Only he can judge.
For the SSPX and the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Nicene Creed.
For the SSPX the baptism of desire is a known exception to the credal statement. See the book written by Fr.Francois Laisney of the SSPX and sold by the SSPX's Angelus Press (N.America District) critical of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
So for the SSPX those persons in Heaven saved with implicit desire or in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions on earth to the dogma on exclusive salvation and the Nicene Creed.This is the SSPX's old 'visible-dead' theory.
So the SSPX has changed the Nicene Creed. It does not profess the entire Catholic faith.
 Similarly Archbishop Gerhard Muller when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus in an interview with the National Catholic Register said that there are exceptions to the dogma in Vatican Council II. He told Edward Pentin of the NCR that being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) was a known exception.
The Prefect is saying in public that everyone in the present times (2012-2014) do not need the baptism of water and Catholic faith for salvation and there are known exceptions.
This is a denial of the Nicene Creed and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The dogma was defined three times by three different Church Councils. Pope Pius XII called it an infallible statement.
So quite obviously both groups are on record for denying the Catholic faith and changing doctrine.
 
1. If you say Vatican Council II does contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition on the issue of other religions and Christian communities and churches, it means you consider all salvation, referred to in Vatican Council II as beingvisible to us, explicit on earth and Heaven. It is true the Council does contradict the dogma.The Council would contradict the dogma when this irrational premise is used!
2.If you say Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition on the issue of other religions and Christian communities and churches, it means you consider all salvation, referred to in Vatican Council II as beinginvisible to us, on earth.They are hypothetical cases, possibilities, known only to God. It is true Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma.The Council would not contradict the dogma when the irrational premise is not used! 
 
Neither Archbishop Muller or the SSPX leadership has said  that Vatican Council II affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of errors.

Some questions and answers could be as follows:
1. Vatican Council II is ambigous on the issue of other religions and Christian communities, this is the general view held by Catholics?
Answer: If one assumes all salvation referred to in the Council (LG 8, LG 16 etc) are visible to us on earth, then the Council would be a break with the past. The Council would be ambiguous if this irrational premise is used.
2. How can you say that Vatican Council II is pro Fr.Leonard Feeney ?
Ad Gentes 7 affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when it refers to all needing faith and baptism for salvation and all needing to enter the Catholic Church as through a door. Ad Gentes 7 is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 under the sub title Outside the Church No Salvation.
There are no known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or extra ecclesiam nulla salus mentioned in Vatican Council II.
3.Why do you say there are no known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to extra ecclesiamn nulla salus?
Since all salvation in Heaven is visible only to God and not visible to us. We do not know any case in 2014 saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11), invincible ignorance(LG 16) etc.
Vatican Council II just mentions these cases. They are probabilities. The Council does not state that they are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
4. Fr.Leonard Feeney was condemned for not accepting the baptism of desire etc?
If he was condemned for heresy then it was a mistake, an objective mistake. It would mean that Pope Pius XII assumed that the baptism of desire etc was visible to us in Heaven. It would have to be visible and known for it to be an exception to the dogma on salvation.
5.So did Pope Pius XII make a mistake?
No, Pope Pius XII supported Fr.Leonard Feeney on doctrine/dogma in the earlier part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when he referred to 'the dogma', the 'infallible statement' and as the Church knew and taught it for centuries. The text of the dogma does not mention any exceptions.
The latter part of the Letter refers to disobedience/discipline. Fr.Leonard Feeney did not go to Rome when called to defend himself.
The Letter says he was excommunicated for disobedience.
The Letter does not state that there are known exceptions to the dogma or that implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation.
-Lionel Andrades

 

Archbishop Muller and the SSPX are both using the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II with the false premise of being able to see people in Heaven

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/archbishop-muller-and-sspx-are-both.html#links
Archbishop Muller and the SSPX have compromised on the faith?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/archbishop-muller-and-sspx-have.html#links
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