Wednesday, June 27, 2018

Repost : Primer on Feeneyism and Cushingism

JUNE 24, 2018

Primer on Feeneyism and Cushingism

Outside the Church there is no salvation.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him... and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Outside the Church there is no salvation is the teaching of the Catholic Church today.
It depends upon how you interpret Vatican Council II.
If LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible and known non Catholicssaved outside the Church, without 'faith and baptism', then there is  salvation outside the Church.

If LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases, non Catholics who are physically invisible and unknown in 2018, then outside the Church there is no known salvation. 

Do you know any one saved outside the Church? I don't.
So Vatican Council II says today that outside the Church there is no salvation.
All need faith and baptism for salvation.(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).

When I tell people that they cannot see or meet anyone saved with the baptism of desire. They agree. They say only God can see who is saved or not saved.
So if someone is saved in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire  it would only be known to God.Since we cannot physically see people in Heaven.
Would you agree? Yes of course. Everyone agrees.
We cannot see or know anyone who is in Heaven without 'faith and baptism'.
Now the Church tells us that the normal way to go to Heaven is 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
Every one needs the baptism of water and Catholic faith for salvation.Every adult. This is the general teaching of the Church from John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Mt. 7:13-14.
So the teaching of the Church today is that everyone needs faith and baptism for salvation and there are no practical exceptions to EENS.
The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood (BOB)  and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are not practical exceptions. 
We can speculate and hope that someone will be saved in invincible ignorance etc but this would be personal and sentimental.We can never know. We cannot judge.
1) So every one needs faith and the baptism of water for salvation( Vatican Council II(AG 7), Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 onextra ecclesiam nulla salus,  Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257,CCC 845,846 etc).
2) BOD, BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases which can be known only to God. They  are not practical exceptions to EENS in 2018.

So when I read Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I will assume the  BOD, BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases only. Similarly in Vatican Council II LG 8 etc refers to only hypothetical cases. I call this way of reading Vatican Council II, Feeneyism.
Most Catholics when they read Vatican Council II and the Catechisms they assume BOD, BOB and I.I refer to non hypothetical cases. known people  saved outside the Church. Similarly LG 8 etc refer to non hypothetical and objective cases.I call this way of reading Vatican Council II, Cushingism.
Feeneyism sees hypothetical cases as just being hypothetical.
Cushingism sees hypothetical cases as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church.
So Cushingites read Vatican Council II  as a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).Since there are known exceptions outside the Church for them.
Feeneyites  see Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS ( Feeneyite) and the past ecclesiology, since hypothetical cases cannot be exceptions to all needing to enter the Church in 2018, as members for salvation.
An invisible  person is not an exception to EENS.

1.So we can read Vatican Council II ,the Catechism etc  with Feeneyism or Cushingism.
2.So BOD, BOB and I.I  can be Feeneyite orCushingite.
3.Similarly LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc can be interpreted with Feeneyism orCushingism.
-Lionel Andrades


JUNE 27, 2018

He does not want to say like Cardinal Raymond Burke that other religions are false paths to salvation or like Cardinal Angelo Amato he does not want to call for Mission based on Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14)

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