Tuesday, July 31, 2018

UR 3 with Cushingism is heretical since it rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.With Feeneyism it is not heretical

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Bishop Fellay: A troubling interview

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Wow. Count me as stunned. If it is not an outright heresy to say that Christ uses the Protestant sects as “means of salvation” (Unitatis Redintegration – 3) then nothing is. 

Even so, the more troubling aspect of Bishop Fellay’s response concerns the suggestion that the Council simply “removed barriers against error;” as opposed to positively proposing error. 

In fact, the Decree on Ecumenism and the preposterous idea that the Protestant sects are “means of salvation” is one of the specific examples he cited in so accusing the Council. -Louie Verrecchio  1


Lionel: For me UR 3 does not refer to known people in the Protestant sects  who are saved by their religions or who are saved at all.This is obvious at the practical level.We cannot know of any non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church.Only God can see and know who is saved.So if there was an exception it would only be known to God.Only God can see or know of someone saved outside the Church and was exception to the ordinary means of salvation, which is faith and baptism in the Catholic Church.We cannot say that a particular Protestant today,  outside the Church, will be saved. This is something only God can know.
So UR 3 is referring to something hoped for with good will, the salvation of other Christians. It is also a reference to a hypothetical person. This is important  to note. Since a hypothetical case is not an explicit example, in the present times, of salvation outside the Church. There are no exceptions to the dogma EENS mentioned in UR 3 for me.
For me hypothetical cases are just hypothetical and I call this interpretation Feeneyism.
When hypothetical cases are assumed to be non hypothetical and real exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) I call it Cushingism.
Louie Verrecchio chooses to interpret this passage with Cushingism. So there is a rupture with the traditional teaching on salvation. For him UR 3 is  an example of known salvation outside the Church.So the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation is made obsolete for him.This is heresy. He is correct.
This is the way the liberals interpret Vatican Council II today and accept the conclusion which is a rupture with Tradition. They use Cushingism to reach this end.
The traditionalists including Bishop Bernard Fellay also interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism and then they blame the Council.
It is true that the reasoning of the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II was Cushingite, just as the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 was also Cushingite.This accounts for the original error in Vatican Council II.
With Cushingism the Council would be violating the Principle of Non Contradiction by suggesting that we can know of people saved outside the Church, who are in Heaven and would also be visible on earth.They would also have to be on earth or be seen on earth for them to be exceptions to EENS.
But this same text in the Council can also be interpreted with Feeneyism and the dogma EENS would not be contradicted.
So we cannot place the fault simply on Vatican Council II when the Council is being interpreted only with Cushingism.
We have to note that the Cushingite passages in Vatican Council II (UR 3 etc), in themselves are not objective exceptions to the orthodox, Feeneyite passages. Since they are references to people unknown to us, hypothetical and theoretical cases.
Neither are they objective exceptions to the dogma EENS, defined by three Church Councils.
So in spite of the mistake made in Vatican Council II, a philosophical and theological mistake, we can interpret the Cushingite passages as referring to only hypothetical cases, and they are as such, they cannot be anything else.So they are not exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church or the Syllabus of Errors ( ecumenism of return etc).There is no heresy here.
-Lionel Andrades




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https://akacatholic.com/bishop-fellay-interview/


JUNE 25, 2015


For you UR 3 and LG 8 are exceptions to the dogma.Why? Who do you know today who is saved as mentioned in UR 3,LG 8?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/06/for-you-ur-3-and-lg-8-are-exceptions-to.html



AUGUST 24, 2014


Without the false premise, the visible- dead premise, the Decree on Ecumenism in Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2014/08/without-false-premise-visible-dead.html


FEBRUARY 13, 2013


SSPX-SO LIKE THE SSPX ASSUMES THAT SALVATION IN HEAVEN IS VISIBLE TO US ON EARTH

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2013/02/sspx-so-like-sspx-assumes-that.html

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Gospel Reading at Holy Mass today : Jesus says the angels will throw evildoers, all who cause others to sin, into the fiery furnace, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth

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Memorial of Saint Ignatius of Loyola, Priest
July 31,2018

GospelMT 13:36-43

Jesus dismissed the crowds and went into the house.
His disciples approached him and said,
"Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
He said in reply, "He who sows good seed is the Son of Man,
the field is the world, the good seed the children of the Kingdom.
The weeds are the children of the Evil One,
and the enemy who sows them is the Devil.
The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
Just as weeds are collected and burned up with fire,
so will it be at the end of the age.

The Son of Man will send his angels,
and they will collect out of his Kingdom
all who cause others to sin and all evildoers.
They will throw them
into the fiery furnace 
where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
Then the righteous will shine like the sun
in the Kingdom of their Father.
Whoever has ears ought to hear."


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They( the angels) will throw them(evildoers, all who cause others to sin) into the fiery furnace,
where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
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'the fiery furnace'

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Go out into the whole world and proclaim the Good News tell them that if they do not believe in Jesus and accept him as their Saviour in the Catholic Church they are all going to Hell.

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Go out into the whole world and proclaim the Good News tell them that if they do not believe in Jesus and accept him as their Saviour in the Catholic Church they are all going to Hell.
This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church and is the teaching today of the Catholic Church when Vatican Council II and other Church documents are interpreted with the traditional Catholic theology and philosophy of Feeneyism and not the new Cushingite  theology and philosophy.
Tell your friends and acquintanences at ecumenical meetings that they are all going to Hell unless they enter the Church.

Tell them at inter-religious dialogue meetings that Catholic faith and baptism of water is necessary to avoid the fires of Hell where most people are going since they die outside the Church.
Tell them that today there are billions of people in Hell since the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit teaches it, when it says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). It is referring to Catholic faith.
This was how St. Ignatius of Loyola understood the faith and it is the same faith today, when an irrational premise is not used to change traditional doctrines on salvation.
So correct the errors in doctrine and affirm the traditional faith of the Catholic Church. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.-Lionel Andrades




JULY 31, 2018


So the St. Benedict Centers, the Society of St. Pius X, the popes and cardinals and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith did not say in public that Vatican Council II without the irrational premise supports the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/so-st-benedict-centers-society-of-st.html



JULY 30, 2018


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Fr.Leonard Feeney,Sr.Catherine Clarke Goddard and Bro. Francis Malus MICM the founders of the St. Benedict Centers, the communities of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, never said in public that Vatican Council II without the irrational premise supports their traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/frleonard-feeneysrcatherine-clarke.html

So Catholic Mission is important : Feast of St.Ignatius of Loyola (Graphics)




















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-Lionel Andrades








JULY 31, 2018


So the St. Benedict Centers, the Society of St. Pius X, the popes and cardinals and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith did not say in public that Vatican Council II without the irrational premise supports the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/so-st-benedict-centers-society-of-st.html


JULY 30, 2018


Fr.Leonard Feeney,Sr.Catherine Clarke Goddard and Bro. Francis Malus MICM the founders of the St. Benedict Centers, the communities of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, never said in public that Vatican Council II without the irrational premise supports their traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/frleonard-feeneysrcatherine-clarke.html

Feast of St.Ignatius of Loyola today (Graphics)











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-Lionel Andrades

JULY 31, 2018


So the St. Benedict Centers, the Society of St. Pius X, the popes and cardinals and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith did not say in public that Vatican Council II without the irrational premise supports the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/so-st-benedict-centers-society-of-st.html


JULY 30, 2018


Fr.Leonard Feeney,Sr.Catherine Clarke Goddard and Bro. Francis Malus MICM the founders of the St. Benedict Centers, the communities of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, never said in public that Vatican Council II without the irrational premise supports their traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/frleonard-feeneysrcatherine-clarke.html