Saturday, July 7, 2018

German bishops and Vatican hide a secret, tell a lie so stay legal . Unknown to media and judiciary -2



The courts in Germany must be asked legally  :-
1) Can we humans see people in Heaven in general?
2) Can we see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith? 
The judge will say "No".
This is a common sense answer.
Then the judge has to be informed that the German bishops teach that  there are exceptions to the traditional exclusivist understanding of salvation and so affirm points 1 and 2 above.
The judge will ask, "Where is the proof?"

HERE IS THE PROOF
1) For them there are exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as members with 'faith and baptism' for salvation.Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation ( to avoid Hell). They say no, not all.This is how they interpret Vatican Council II. They do not deny this. This is proof.
2) For them there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was interpreted by the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.This is how they interpret EENS. They do not deny it. This is proof. They can be asked and they will confirm it.
3) They reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church upon which was based the Old Ecumenism, the Old Ecclesiology, the Old Evangelisation and the Old Theology.They reject the past ecclesiology since there are exceptions to them. How can there be exceptions? Since they can see people in Heaven who are there without faith and the baptism of water. They are there for them without being members of the Catholic Church. This is the proof. It will not be denied. This is the common understanding.
4) Since there is known salvation outside the Church for them, i.e they can see or meet people in the flesh saved without faith and baptism, they have created a New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation and New Theology. All this is based upon visible- for- them non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church.They confirm the two points above here. They do not deny it. This is their New Theology based on the irrational premise which creates a rupture with Tradition (EENS etc).This is the proof.
5) For them Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994), interpreted with this irrational premise ,is a rupture with the past popes. They have created a schism.Pope Benedict XVI in March 2016 (Avvenire) confirmed that EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century. He said this in public. This was proof from the German liberal pope.

Then it could be further  explained to him as follows.

EXPLAINING THE PROOF
1a) Since there are are exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation , the German bishops and cardinals infer that there are known people saved outside the Church.They personally know such people other wise how could there be exceptions, for example, in 2018 ?
2a) Since they teach that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation) they personally know people saved outside the Church. This is the inference.
They can see or meet people who are now dead and saved in Heaven.So for them there are exceptions  to the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.The exceptions are being saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, the baptism of blood etc, all theoretical possibilities known only to God.
3a) Since they reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church, for them there are personally seen, known and visible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without 'faith and baptism'.They imply indirectly that a) we humans see people in Heaven in general and b) we  see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
4a) Since there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for the two of them, they have created, upon this irrationality, a new ecumenism, new evangelisation, new ecclesiology and new theology.It is all  based on the irrational premise of their being invisible non Catholics who are saved and personally known.
5a) So they interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) with this irrational premise to create a non traditional conclusion. The innovative conclusion is a rupture with the traditional teachings of the Church.There is a schism with the past popes since the German bishops believe we  1) humans can see people in Heaven in general and that we 2) can we see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith. 
These five points are the proof. They are not denied by the German  bishops and cardinals nor even the German Knights of Malta who follow the bishops.
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"But is there any text ?" the judge may ask.

REFERENCES TO TEXT WITH THE LIE , THE FALSE INFERENCE
Here are references to text where the lie is repeated.  false inference is used to create a liberal and non traditional conclusion, which is a rupture with the past Magisterium of the popes.

1.
In the course of the Council the “subsistit in” took the place of the previous “est”. It contains in nuce the whole ecumenical problem.The “est” claimed that the church of Christ Jesus “is” the Catholic Church. This strict identification of the church of Christ Jesus with the Catholic Church had been represented most recently in the encyclicals Mystici corporis (1943) and Humani generis (1950). But even according to Mystici corporis there are people who, although they have not yet been baptised, are subsumed under the Catholic Church because that is their express desire (DS 3921). Therefore Pius XII had condemned an exclusive interpretation of the axiom “Extra ecclesiam nulla salus” already in 1949.- Cardinal Walter Kaspar, on the website of the Vatican Council for Christian Unity
Note : Cardinal Walter Kasper is saying that there are exceptions to EENS.

2.
OCTOBER 21, 2011

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity claims Pope Pius XII condemned the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :suggests those in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/10/pontifical-council-for-promoting.html

Note :The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Vatican is saying that being saved in invincible ignorance is an exception to the dogma EENS.
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3.
Cardinal Walter Kasper made a stunning statement in the pages of L'Osservatore Romano this past Friday. In offering some reflections on the challenges facing the Church and the continued (perpetual) problem of the "true implementation of Vatican II", Kasper, speaking with reference to the documents of the Council, stated:

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (Cardinal Walter Kasper,  L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)
http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.it/2013/04/kasper-admits-intentional-ambiguity.html

Note : He  is saying that the Cushingite passages in Vatican Council II which come from the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 are explicit exceptions to the Feeneyite, orthodox passages in Vatican Council II, which support the dogma EENS. So this is conflicting for him, a Cushingite.
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APRIL 19, 2013

Full of deception  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/full-of-deception.html

Note. Cardinal Kasper continues to interpret Lumen Gentium 16 etc as being known cases of salvation outside the Church. In other words he can see these people in Heaven saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.He then concludes like Pope Benedict that there is salvation outside the Church. Hypothetical cases, possibilities known only to God, are inferred to be concrete examples of non Catholics saved outside the Church.

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4.OCTOBER 26, 2015Cardinal Kaspar changed ecclesiology assuming B is an exception to A : he used an irrational model to interpret Vatican Council IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-walter-kasper-said-in.html

Note: As always Cardinal Walter Kasper assumes that 1) we humans see people in Heaven in general? 2) we see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith? 
5.OCTOBER 29, 2015
Cardinal Muller has changed doctrine, supports the development of heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-muller-has-changed-doctrine.html 
Note: For Cardinal Muller doctrine on salvation has changed, it has developed. This development was possible with the false inference mentioned in the points 1 and 2 above. Without this false inference there could not be ' a development'.
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BOTH ARCHBISHOP MULLER AND DI NOIA MADE A FACTUAL ERROR IN THEIR SEPARATE INTERVIEWS WITH THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC REGISTER http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/both-archbishop-muller-and-di-noia-made.html  Note: They both assumed that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS.In other words they could see people saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8)  or in invincible ignorance (LG 14), they could tell who knew or did not know about Jesus and the Church and was saved or not saved(LG 14).How could they know? They could know by personally seeing the dead who are saved .They cannot only see the dead who are in Heaven but can also see those who are there without faith and baptism and instead with invincible ignorance etc.________________________

6.

Pope Benedict wrongly assumed Robert Kennedy, Richard Cushing  and the Vatican ( Holy Office'49) were objectively correct and Fr.Leonard Feeney made a mistake http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/05/pope-benedict-assumed-robert-kennedy.html


GERMAN BISHOPS AND CARDINALS TEACHING A LIE
The courts in  Germany can be asked if the German Bishops and Cardinals can teach a falsehood, lie and deception in theology. The courts would not be asked to interpret Catholic theology or doctrines but only to confirm if it is possible to physically see and personally meet people saved outside the Church, people who would be saved and now are in Heaven. Since this is the inference of the German bishops in their New Theology which states outside the Church there is known salvation.

VIOLATES PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION
Can there really be known salvation outside the Catholic Church with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance or would this only be known to God if it existed?
And if it is only known to God and there are no known cases in the present times for example 2018, then how can there can exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II which states all need faith and baptism for salvation (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II)?
This is  a violation of the Principle of Non Contradiction even if it supported by the German Pope Benedict and German Cardinal Muller, former Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
They cannot name the person who has seen people in Heaven saved without faith and baptism and neither can they in general do so nor do others in Germany have this gift. Yet upon this lie they have rejected the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church on exclusive salvation.
-Lionel Andrades

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JULY 7, 2018
German bishops and Vatican hide a secret, tell a lie so stay legal . Unknown to media and judiciary -1
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JULY 7, 2018



German bishops and Vatican hide a secret, tell a lie so stay legal . Unknown to media and judiciary -2

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/german-bishops-and-vatican-hide-secret.html

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