Magisterium and traditionalists violate the Principle of Non Contradiction in general : make a mistake in reasoning

1. EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
They reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when they use a false premise.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( with the false premise).It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.The baptism of desire( with the premise), baptism of blood( with the premise) and being saved in invincible ignorance( with the premise) are exceptions to dogma as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( premise-free): It refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.Invisible for us baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are not visible exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Catholic Church for salvation.

The Magisterium and the traditionalists ( except for the St.benedict centers) in general use the false premise. This is heresy.

They also violate the Principle of Non Contradiction.

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2.THEY INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH A FALSE PREMISE
They then interpret Vatican Council II also with a false premise.So the Council is a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(premise-free).

Vatican Council II (with the premise): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II without the false premise.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.

Vatican Council II ( premise-free):It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II without the false premise.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( premise-free),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).

Again they are in heresy and violate the Principle of Non Contradiction with reference to Vatican Council II as they do for EENS. This is a common mistake made by them.

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3.THEY CHANGE THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE NICENE CREED WITH A FALSE PREMISE
They then re-interpret the Nicene Creed with the false premise.This is first class heresy.

Nicene Creed ( with the false  premise): It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms.They are baptisms of desire, blood and invincible ignorance, all excluding the baptism of water.Then there is salvation mentioned for them in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc all without the baptism of water.So it  no  more is 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.

Nicene Creed ( premise-free): It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.

With the false premise they violate the Principle of Non Conradiction. Then they apply it to EENS, Vatican Council II and the Nicene Creed.

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4.THEY INTERPRET MOST MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS WITH THE FALSE PREMISE TO CREATE A RUPTURE WITH TRADTION.
They interpret all magisterial documents using a false premise ( invisible people are visible, unknown non Catholics are known) which creates a rupture with the old exclusivist excclesiology of the Church(Unknown non Catholics saved outside the Church are practical exceptions to the past ecclesiology). This is a magisterium gone wrong.

So they use the false premise to interpet the Catechisms when they refer to the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and I.I(I.I). So they assume that the Catechisms of Pius X, Trent and Baltimore refer to visible instead of invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I. Since they are not hypothetical for them, it is assumed that they contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS.

Similarly with the false premise they make the Syllabus of Errors obsolete.With there being known salvation outside the Church for them there is the theological opening for the New Ecumenism. The Ecumenism of Return of the Syllabus of Errors is made obsolete with the false premise and inference.

The error is already there in the text of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and so they simply repeat it.The Council Fathers also repeated this error in Vatican Council II.

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HERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT  HYPOTHETICAL. THEY ARE HYPOTHETICAL FOR ME.

1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257).

'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).

3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).

4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).

5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).

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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.THEY ARE HYPOTHETICAL FOR ME.

1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8).

2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2).

3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2).

4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3).

5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22).

6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11).

7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16).

8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.

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HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON WHICH FOR THEM  ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL AND SO ARE EXCEPTIONS TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. THEY ARE HYPOTHETICAL FOR ME.

1.Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.(we do not know who this person is in particular so it is a hypothetical case.)

2.In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.(we do not know any one in particular as such so this is a hypothetical case).

3.Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.( if there is any such person he or she would only be known to God. So this passage is irrelevant to the dogma EENS. It cannot be an exception.Since it is a reference to an invisible person for us.)

4.However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.(it is a reference to an unknown catechumen)

 5.For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.( and we do not know any in particular.So this is a theoretical and hypothetical reference).

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JULY 26, 2018

Repost : Louie Verrecchio, Ann Barnhardt, David Domet, the two popes and the CDF Prefect are in heresy : correction and recantation of error needed

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-louie-verrecchio-ann-barnhardt.html

JULY 24, 2018

Impediment to offering the Latin Mass

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/impediment-to-offering-latin.html

JULY 1, 2018

Archbishop Thomas E Gullickson and Father Stefano S.Visintin osb say there are no known cases of the baptism of desire in our reality(Graphics)

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 JUNE 20, 2016

Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html

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Fr.Marco Hausmann , Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-frp-stefano.html

If you consider the Holy Office or Fr.Leonard Feeney in heresy determines how you interpret Vatican Council IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/if-you-consider-holy-office-or.html

JULY 26, 2018

Repost : Fr.Marco Hausmann in Rome says there are no exceptions while the Vicariate is teaching young lay Catholics that there are exceptions

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-frmarco-hausmann-in-rome-says.html

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Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links

DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links

CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.Phttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html

BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links

I follow the Catechism of Trent in agreement with Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/i-follow-catechism-of-trent-in.html


CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#linksJUNE 20, 2011THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF- Fr.George Puthoorttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/there-is-no-baptism-of-desire-that-we.html

WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH AS DON BOSCO TAUGHT- Salesian Rector and Parish priest in Rome  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/we-do-not-know-anyone-saved-with.html

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MONDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2016

I even interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995) as being Feeneyite. I use the same reasoning : hypothetical cases are not explicit in the present times.  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/i-even-interpret-catechism-of-catholic.html

JUNE 21, 2014

The Grand Secret : Vatican Council II says all Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Protestants etc are lost http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/the-grand-secret-vatican-council-ii.html

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JULY 25, 2018
If I had created this website I would not have to hide my name.Since I affirm Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) which is not a rupture with the old catechisms.For me there is no change in ecclesiology in the Church from 1555 to 2018. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/if-i-created-this-website-i-would-not.html
JULY 25, 2018
Whispers of Restoration needs an article on Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whispers-of-restoration-needs-article.html
 JULY 25, 2018

Whispers of Restoration must include the 1994 Catechism with a note on interpreting it with Feeneyism and avoiding the common Cushingism http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whispers-of-restoration-must-include.html
JULY 24, 2018
Official heresy - with false doctrines and irrational theology http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/official-heresy-with-false-doctrines.html
JULY 24, 2018

Whispers of Restoration - We have to face the visible-invisible, Cushingite-Feeneyite distinction and then proclaim the Faith  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whispers-of-restoration-we-have-to-face.html
 JULY 22, 2018

American students coming to Angelicum university amid coercion and deception at next semester : Catholic theology made illegal
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/american-students-coming-to-angelicum.html

JULY 23, 2018

Fr.Francesco Giordano and faculty at Angelicum interpret Aquinas with Cushingism  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/frfrancesco-giordano-and-faculty-at.html

JULY 23, 2018

Pope John Paul II prohibited a theology of religions and it is being taught at the Angelicum University  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/pope-john-paul-ii-prohibited-theology.html

JULY 23, 2018

Voice of the Family Conference speaker recommends the New Theology
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/voice-of-family-conference-speaker.html 
JULY 24, 2018
Official heresy - with false doctrines and irrational theology
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/official-heresy-with-false-doctrines.html

If you consider the Holy Office or Fr.Leonard Feeney in heresy determines how you interpret Vatican Council IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/if-you-consider-holy-office-or.html

Even if a non Catholic was saved in his religion or by his religion the case is implicit for us: Bishop Fellay uses the right hand column

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/even-if-non-catholic-was-saved-in-his.html#links

Most Catholic priests are using the irrational, right-hand side column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/most-catholic-priests-are-using.html#links