Repost : CCC 1257-1260: If we do not know any such person in 2014 then how can we say theoretically, God is not limited to the Sacraments, every one does not need the Baptism of water
OCTOBER 2, 2014
CCC 1257-1260: If we do not know any such person in 2014 then how can we say theoretically, God is not limited to the Sacraments, every one does not need the Baptism of water
When CCC 1257 mentions that God is not limited to the Sacraments, it could be when it considers that God being God and He can do any thing.He can choose to save a person with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water. This is possible theoretically.However this is not the context in which CCC 1257 is commonly used in the Church.
The Catechism 1257 -1260 considers those who are saved without the baptism of water as exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla slaus. They are substitutes.
If they are exceptions or substitutes then they would have to be visible to us in the present times.If they are not known to us they cannot be exceptions.This is the error in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257-1260.
I can assume that CCC 1257 God is not limited to the Sacraments refers to implicit cases, possibilities.However in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission approved by Pope Benedict XVI it is assumed that there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So CCC 1257 refers to explicit exceptions for the Vatican Curia, for the popes and cardinals.
Also regarding the Necessity of the Baptism of Water, how can we say that theoretically there are persons in the present times who are exceptions to all needing the baptism of water? Where are these persons?
If we do not know any such person in 2014 then how can we say theoretically, God is not limited to the Sacraments and every one does not need the Baptism of water.
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament.( Hypothetically O.K .Defacto there is not such case in the present times. I cannot judge who has been saved as such this year. I cannot say that any one will be saved without the baptism of water but with the baptism of blood).
1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.(However there are no such case known in 2014 for them to be exceptions. Possibilities yes, Exceptions,no)
1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved.(As possibilities but not as exceptions)It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
Error in the Catechism of the Catholic Church : SSPX has to accept it for full reconciliation
All the Cardinals and Bishops at the Synod on the family in their catechesis will use the irrational right hand column in the intepretation of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/all-cardinals-at-synod-on-family-in.html#links