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Repost : In Catechesis in Catholic families the right hand column is used in the intepretation of magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II

JUNE 17, 2014

In Catechesis in Catholic families the right hand column is used in the intepretation of magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II

Lionel Andrades said...

Would you agree that in all catechesis in Catholic families, they are using the right hand column in the intepretation of magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II ?

All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3),seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) etc are either:

LEFT HAND SIDE COLUMN or RIGHT HAND COLUMN
implicit                                   or    explicit for us.
hypothetical                          or    known in reality.
invisible                                 or    visible in the flesh.
dejure ( in principle)            or    defacto ( in fact ).
subjective                             or    objective.

So families, parents, cathechists,can choose from the left hand sideor the right hand side column.
If the right hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts itself. LG 16 ( invincible ignorance is an exception to all needing to convert) is contradicted by Ad Gentes 7, which says all need to convert into the Catholic Church.

If the left hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II does not contradict itself. LG 16 does not contradict AG 7 and LG 14.

Most Catholic families interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values.
 

There are Catholic religious and lay persons who use the the left hand side column in the interpretation of magisterial text

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/there-are-catholic-religious-and-lay.html#links
 
 
Roman Forum Summer Conference this month will use the right hand side column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/roman-forum-summer-conference-this.html#links

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Lionel Andrades said...

In family catechesis the irrational concept of VISIBLE exceptions is used in general.
Why do you use the words 'visible' and 'invisible' ?: It is because others are using it unknown to them
Why do you use the words 'visible' and 'invisible' I am asked.

I refer to invisible and visible cases since most people are unaware. They are using the concept 'visible' when talking about Catholic salvation. It is they who first use the irrationality of visible exceptions. So I explain the difference between visible and invisible exceptions.

They tell me that all do not need to enter the Catholic Church but only those who know about Jesus and the Church. In other words those who know and do not know are VISIBLE to us on earth. We know these cases in real life.

Then they say that every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. In other words these cases are VISIBLE to us in real life. We know cases in 2014 saved with the baptism of desire etc . So they are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Then they say every one does not need to enter the Church and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. What has all who are saved, are saved through Jesus and the Church, have to do with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Again it is inferred subtly that there are known cases saved without the baptism of water in other religions. They are VISIBLE to us . So all do not need to enter the Church for salvation.

Whenever someone says there are exceptions he is implying that there are VISIBLE exceptions.

They say Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for denying the baptism of desire. In other words, he would not accept a VISIBLE baptism of desire. 

They say Nostra Aetate 2 is a revolution in the Catholic Church since it contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. A person can be saved without the baptism of water and with ' a ray of the Truth' . In other words ' a ray of the Truth' is a VISIBLE exception.If it was not VISIBLE it would obviously not be an exception.

Similarly they say UR 3 has changed the Catholic Church's teachings on ecumenism. Now a Protestant can be saved in 'imperfect communion with the Church'. In other words these cases are VISIBLEin the present times, we can name some one saved in imperfect communion with the Church.

They ask why do you use the VISIBLE and INVISIBLE distinction ?

It is because just about every one is using it and doing so irrationally and unaware of it
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Lionel Andrades


http://www.lovingit.co.uk/2014/06/pope-francis-the-devil-hates-families.html#comments

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