Friday, June 29, 2018

Repost : Norm in the Catholic Church to assume baptism of desire can be seen physically and is an exception to extra ecclesiam nullas salus

 JUNE 5, 2014

Norm in the Catholic Church to assume baptism of desire can be seen physically and is an exception to extra ecclesiam nullas salus

It is the NORM in the Catholic Church to assume that the baptism of desire is explicit for us i.e it can be seen physically and so is an exception to extra ecclesiam nullas salus.
 
  
Fr. Francois Laisney, Fr. Peter Scott like Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J is saying that the Catholic Church is no more Exclusivist ecclesiocentric: SSPX priests and liberals agree that there are explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma outside the church no salvation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/fr-francois-laisney-fr-peter-scott-like.html#links
 
Bishop Fellay, Fr.Schmidberger,FSSP,Joseph Fenton seem unaware the baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the dogma
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/bishop-fellay-frschmidbergerfsspjoseph.html#links
 
CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF SAN BERNARDINO CALIFORNIA: WHY DOES THE CHURCH EXPECT PRIESTS, NUNS AND DEACONS TO ASSUME THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION? 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/catholic-diocese-of-san-bernardino.html
 
WHY DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN CALIFORNIA EXPECT FR.LEONARD FEENEY’S COMMUNITY TO ASSUME THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION? 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-does-catholic-church-in-californnia.html
 
Then  Prof. Gavin D'Costa, on the website of the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales infers that 'a ray of the Truth' and 'seeds of the Word' are VISIBLE for us.This is the NORM in the Catholic Church in England.
 


Fr.Leonard Feeney, Wikipedia and Vatican Council II

WIKIPEDIA'S ENTRY ON SALVATION MISREPRESENTS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

SECULAR CATECHESIS FOR CATHOLICS : NO ONE OBJECTS IN THE MEDIA

WIKIPEDIA SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICTS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SSPX AND THE VATICAN DO NOT PROTEST

Catholic traditionalists do not challenge the errors on Wikipedia since they assume Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus


Fr.Leonard Feeney goes undefended

REMEMBER THAT THE REPORT BY FR.WILLIAM MOST ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH: IT CONTAINS ERRORS AND HERESY


Southwark Emeritus Bishop cites Archbishop Lefebvre on Nostra Aetate : like the University of Bristol they use an irrationality 



 






-Lionel Andrades

Repost : Response to Chris Ferrara on the Creative Minority Report

JUNE 5, 2014

Response to Chris Ferrara on the Creative Minority Report

Chris Ferrara14 days ago
But of course traditionalists ARE schismatics---from the Church of the "new orientation of Vatican II." This Church does not really exist, but rather consists of an ensemble of rootless novelties first introduced in the sixties and seventies. As long as the fanatics of Vatican II are alive, however, the persecution will continue. Truly one of the most bizarre epochs in Church history, rivaling if not surpassing the Arian crisis in magnitude. As Saint Basil said then: "Only one offense is vigorously punished--an accurate observance of our fathers' traditions." Sound familiar?
  • Traditionalists are not schismatics. I affirm Vatican Council II and also the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Since I do not use an irrational inference in the interpretation.I have explained this often on my blog Eucharist and Mission.
    The new orientation of Vatican Council II comes with the use of a false premise in the interpretation.This is the premise also used by traditionalists.
    The Church does exist.The magisterial texts of the Church are traditional.With the inference emerge the errors and heresies.
    The 'fanatics of Vatican Council II' are using the false premise in the interpretation of the Council. So the Council is non traditional. They want the Franciscans of the Immaculate to also accept this irrational version of Vatican Council II to be able to once again offer the Traditional Latin Mass(TLM).
    The traditionalists, including Chris Ferrara and other members of the Roman Forum do not want to affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Here is the problem. They assume that the baptism of desire refers to visible to us cases in 2014. This is the false premise. We cannot see the dead. So the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were never exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma by Fr.Leonard Feeney,in the first place.
    So being saved with ' a ray of the Truth' and 'seeds of the Word' are not exceptions to Tradition unless you assume that these cases are explicit, seen in the flesh.
    The traditionalists do not want to afirm the literal interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation and so now ,for example at the Roman Forum meeting in Italy, June 20, at which Chris Ferrara will be present, they will not affirm Vatican Council ( without the irrational premise).
    Unfortunately this problem existed with friends of the Franciscans of the Immaculatem, like Bruno Gherardini and Roberto de Mattei. So there is no one to tell the Franciscans of the Immaculate to go ahead and affirm Vatican Council II ( without the inference) and this will be in accord with Tradition.They can then ask Fr.Fidenzio Volpi to do the same.
    At least the Commissar cannot then claim that the FFI are rejecting Vatican Council II and so they cannot be allowed to offer the TLM.

Repost : The 'missing link' discovered : what makes Vatican Council II traditional or heretical

JUNE 11, 2014

The 'missing link' discovered : what makes Vatican Council II traditional or heretical

The missing link is the irrational inference in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
 
Get rid of the inference and as in a snap of the finger the Council becomes traditional, as it always was.
 
Hands up anyone who is surprised that Saint Pius X was hardly quoted at all in at the Second Vatican Council. He was the least quoted of the twentieth century Popes. There was no reference to Pascendi. And there was no mention of Modernism in a papal encyclical between Ecclesiam Suam in 1964 and Fides et Ratio in 1998.
Can we have a spokesman from the Department of the Hermeneutic of Continuity, please?
Lionel:
There is no contradiction with Pascendi in Vatican Council II unless you assume that the dead saved- and now referred to in Vatican Council II, are explicit for us.If you use this irrationality, Vatican Council II will contradict Pascendi.
Without the irrational inference, Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of continuity. With the false premise of being able to see the dead-saved, it is the hermeneutic of rupture.
We have finally found the ‘missing link’ for either of the two heremeneutics.It is so simple.

Repost : Only when we do not use the inference Vatican Council is traditional

JUNE 11, 2014

Only when we do not use the inference Vatican Council is traditional

I’m afraid that we have an unfortunate state of affairs whereby one does have to, outwardly at least, in the Novus Ordo Church, obey the Second Vatican Council unconditionally.
Lionel:
There is a Vatican Council with an irrational premise used in the interpretation and there is one without it.
There is a Vatican Council II with a false premise which makes the Council ambigous and there is one without the premise and ambiguity.
 
There is a Vatican Council II which is in perfect agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus and there is a Vatican Council II ( with the inference) which is a break with Tradition and the dogma on exclusive salvation.
Your PP was using one of the two interpretations.
When we speak about Vatican Council II ( without the inference of explicit exceptions) then the Council affirms Tradition.
Only if we do not use the inference is the Council traditional.
-Lionel Andrades

Repost : Basically , they are asking you, to accept that there is salvation outside the visible limits of the Church

JUNE 11, 2014

Basically , they are asking you, to accept that there is salvation outside the visible limits of the Church

"...so what is it they want us to accept when they demand that we “accept the Council?”
Lionel:
They want you to accept a Vatican Council II using an irrational inference in the interpretation.
Linked to this, they want you to accept the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the irrational inference. They want you to infer that  the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible in the flesh.So they are  exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Using this irrational reasoning, they want you to accept that Nostra Aetate 2, ‘ a ray of the truth’ refers to explicit cases seen in the flesh.The dead are visible. These deceased, they want you to accept, are exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on all needing to enter the Church with no exceptions.
If you accept all this then Vatican Council II becomes a break with the past.Basically , they are asking you, and you may have not noticed it, is to accept that there is salvation outside the visible limits of the Church.It is upon this irrational inference that the ‘ new Revelation’ from Vatican Council II comes to us.
Remove the inference and you can accept Vatican Council II and Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades
 
SUMMARY
1.They want you to accept a Vatican Council II using an irrational inference in the interpretation.
2.They want you to accept the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the irrational inference.
 
3.They want you to accept that Nostra Aetate 2, ‘ a ray of the truth’ refers to explicit cases seen in the flesh.
 
4.These deceased, they want you to accept, are exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on all needing to enter the Church with no exceptions.
5.They want you to accept that there is salvation outside the visible limits of the Church.It is upon this irrational inference that the ‘ new Revelation’ from Vatican Council II comes to us.

Repost : The fault is with your not making the explicit-implicit distinction

 JUNE 11, 2014

The fault is with your not making the explicit-implicit distinction

You are bewildered since you are using a false premise in the interpretation of the documents of Vatican Council II.
Leo:
When I read the documents relative to the Modernism, as it was defined by Saint Pius X, and when I compare them to the documents of the II Vatican Council, I cannot help being bewildered. For what was condemned as heresy in 1906 was proclaimed as what is and should be from now on the doctrine and method of the Church.
Lionel:
You are bewildered since you are using a false premise in the interpretation of the documents of Vatican Council II.The invisible is considered visible.
For example you infer that Nostra Aetate 2, 'a ray of the Truth' refers to cases which are explicit for us. So now every one does not need to convert into the Catholic Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.So this is a major change in Church teaching.
Then you read about those who can be saved ‘ in imperfect communion with the Church’ (UR 3) and you conclude that Protestants do not need Catholic Faith for salvation.This is a big change in ecumenism.
The fault is with your not making the explicit-implicit distinction.Yes a Protestant could be saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church' , hypothetically, in theory, but in reality we do not know of any such case. So there is no contradiction with the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church.
Similarly we do not know any one saved with ‘seeds of the Word’ etc.

Repost : If ' a ray of the Truth' (NA 2) is considered visible or invisible decides heresy

JUNE 11, 2014

If ' a ray of the Truth' (NA 2) is considered visible or invisible decides heresy

If ‘ a ray of the Truth’ (NA 2) is considered visible in the flesh to us then it contradicts the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salusIt is heresy.
If ' a ray of the Truth' is considered not visible to us human beings then it is not relevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It refers to a possibility of salvation, only known to God. It is a probability but not an exception.
Similarly if being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) is considered explicit for us , then it means there is salvation outside the Catholic Church. It means every one does not have to be a visible member of the Church for salvation. This is heresy.
It is invisible for us. Rationally we know NA 2  is not in conflict with the de fide dogma.
-Lionel Andrades
http://catholictruthblog.com/2014/05/29/accept-vatican-ii-or-else/

Repost : So when I meet a non Catholic, I know he is on the way to Hell since the Church tells us so and it is not because I can read souls

JUNE 12, 2014

So when I meet a non Catholic, I know he is on the way to Hell since the Church tells us so and it is not because I can read souls

Anyone who says there are exceptions, infers they can see the dead.They infer there is salvation outside the Church.
 
Editor:
“The Church” never points to individuals and says he/she is not saved.
Lionel:
And except for the saints the Church never says he or she is in Heaven, including Judas, whom Scripture indicates is damned.
Editor:
That is prohibited to us – only God sees the soul and knows its disposition.
Lionel:
We  cannot read souls and neither the do popes claim that they can read souls.
However the  Church does tell us that all need 'faith and baptism' (AG 7,Vatican Council II) for salvation.
The Church does tell us that those who do not convert into the Church are oriented to Hell which has fire.(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, extra ecclesiam nulla salus).
So the Church is telling us that all Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Protestants and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell unless they convert with 'faith and baptism'.
The Church is saying that all the Jews,Muslims and others in England in 2014 are on the way to Hell without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
The Church is telling us that in Heaven there are only Catholics there who have died without mortal sin and with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
Jesus tells us that those who do not believe will be condemned. The Bible and the Church tell us that mortal sins lead to Hell.
So when I meet a non Catholic, I know he is on the way to Hell since the Church tells us so and it is not because I can read souls.
Editor:
 Anyone who IS saved, however, can only be saved through the Church.
Lionel:
Agreed.
Editor:
So, give up chasing this nonsensical straw man, Lionel. Life is too short. If you think bloggers will read these lengthy posts, read again – I can see your heresy in the first few lines and don’t read further, so you can bet your bottom dollar that nobody else will plough through these lengthy comments.
Lionel:
'I can see your heresy'?
It is heresy to allege that you can see the dead saved with the baptism of desire who are visible to you in Scotland and so you reject the traditional interpretation of the ex cathedra dogma on salvation. You rejct it with visible- in- Scotland exceptions.
Anyone who says there are exceptions, infers they can see the dead.They infer there is salvation outside the Church.
-Lionel Andrades

Repost : This is the Magisterium today!

APRIL 24, 2014

This is the Magisterium today!

If the Bishop's Conference did not use this irrationality the Catholic Church in England and Wales would have to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus in accord with the Catechism and Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/if-bishops-conference-did-not-use-this.html#links

Catechetical programs of the USCCB in Boston, Worcester, Manchester are using a false premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/catechetical-programs-of-usccb-in.html

Dominicans in Nashville still silent : how do they interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church ?


Cardinals and bishops are promoting a lie in public for political and personal reasons : the Catholic Faith is denied

Catholic bishops of Dallas, Fort Worth, Charlotte, Florida, USA approved a Mandatum to teach there is known salvation outside the Church and the dead-saved are visible to us

Pope John Paul II whose teachings on faith, morals and the Eucharist have been compromised will be canonised by those who reject him

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J and Pope Benedict XVI made a factual error : Analysis

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-and-pope.html

Bishop Michael Olson is not willing to say all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7) unless they enter the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/bishop-michael-olson-is-not-willing-to.html


MULLER, LADARIA, DI NOI, POZZO, KASPAR AND KOCH WANT THE SSPX TO INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH THE 'RIGHT HAND SIDE' COLUMN FOR CANONICAL STATUS

 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/padre-pio-prayer-groups-neo_31.html#links
 
Archbishop Gerhard Muller was using the false premise : here is the proof! http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/archbishop-gerhard-muller-was-using.html#links
 
-Lionel Andrades

Repost : Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J and Pope Benedict XVI made a factual error : Analysis

APRIL 7, 2014

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J and Pope Benedict XVI made a factual error : Analysis

'10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22)...'-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions 
Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis, cardinals and archbishops have not objected to this passage from Christianity and the World Religions by the International Theological Commission 1997.
There is a factual mistake here.
'the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16...')
 
Example Lumen Gentium 16 ? LG 16 is a possibility of salvation onlybut here it is implied that it is an exception to Tradition and so eccclesiology is no more ecclesiocentrism.(1)


 Cardinal Luiz Ladaria the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and former President of the ITC has made a factual error here. It was approved by Pope Benedict XVI.The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has not acknowledged that there is an error here.
 
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria led the Vatican team in the SSPX-Vatican doctrinal talks. The SSPX's Fr.Jean Marie Gleize, who led the SSPX side, has made the same error in a book published by the SSPX in Italy.
 
1.
Apply the Three Common Sense Points:
1. There is no way that we can know of a particular person saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire because of its very nature. It is known only to God.
2. There is no text in Vatican Council II or the Catechism which claims we know of any such case.
3. So Vatican Council II and the Catechism do not contradict the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus-The Three Common Sense Points
The baptism of desire is a gift of God. We cannot claim that someone has received the Baptism of Desire this month. It cannot be administered.


2.
The two questions are:-

1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2013 ? Answer: NO

2) Since we do not know any of these cases, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? Answer: THERE ARE NONE. 

 
3.
CUSHINGISM OR FEENEYISM 
 VATICAN COUNCIL II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)...-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.
FEENEYISM (rational): The orange text does not contradict the text in yellow since the cases referred to are not known to us, personally .We do not know and cannot know these cases. So they are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
CUSHINGISM( irrational): The orange text contradicts the text in yellow .It is assumed that these cases are known to us in the present times. We can physically see the dead who are known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846
FEENEYISM (rational): The orange text does not contradict the text in yellow since the cases referred to are not known to us, personally .We do not know and cannot know these cases. So they are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
CUSHINGISM( irrational): The orange text contradicts the text in yellow .It is assumed that these cases are known to us in the present times. We can see the dead who are known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney. -

 
4.

An Example of the False Premise and the Conclusion.

Seeds of the Word (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II)

With the False Premise:
We can see non Catholics who have received salvation in 2014 with 'seeds of the Word'.
Conclusion: Vatican Council II contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Vatican Council II contradicts itself. AG 7 - 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation contradicts AG 11- being saved with 'seeds of the Word'.
Without the False Premise.
Being saved with seeds of the Word is a possibility.
A possibility is not a known reality in a specific case in the present times, for us. A possibility is not an exception.
Seeds of the Word is not an exception.
Since it is not visible and known in a specific case in 2014 it is not relevant or an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
ConclusionVatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

5.
COLUMN A or COLUMN B
All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e being saved with the seeds of the Word (AG 11), invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) can be interpreted with COLUMN A or COLUMN B
COLUMN A
Implicit or us.
hypothetical for us.
invisible.
dejure (in principle).
subjective.
COLUMN B
explicit for us.
known in reality.
visible in the flesh.
defacto (in fact).
objective.
If COLUMN B is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition.There are known exceptions. The dead-saved are visible. This is an irrational and common interpretation of Vatican Council II.
If COLUMN A is chosen in the interpretation then Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition.The Catholic Church's teaching on other religions and Christians communities and churches is the same before and after Vatican Council II.
 
6.
IN REAL LIFE
We cannot say any one specifically whom we meet is 'an exception' .While Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So every non Catholic whom we meet needs faith and baptism and we do not know a single exception, who will be saved without faith and baptism.
When we meet a non Catholic we know he is oriented to Hell unless he converts into the Church with faith and baptism.
We do not know who is saved in invincible ignorance or who knows about Jesus and the Church and did not enter and so is damned (Lumen Gentium 14). This is known only to God.The Church says all need faith and baptism (AG 7).
Those Catholics who say there are 'exceptions' imply, in the Nicene Creed , " I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin, water, blood and desire', instead of, 'I believe in one (known) baptism for the forgiveness of sin (water)."All this irrationality emerges with 'explicit exceptions'.
Pope John XXIII initiated a traditional Vatican Council II when there are no 'explicit exceptions' used in the interpretation.
Pope Paul VI concluded Vatican Council II which is pro-Fr.Leonard Feeney when there are no 'explicit exceptions' used in the interpretation.
Without 'explicit exceptions' Pope John Paul II 's Vatican Council II is in agreement with Dominus Iesus 20, the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846, Ecclesia di Eucarestia, Ecclesia in Asia etc. It does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors or the Catechism of Pope Pius X.
7.
CCC1257
 
Those who have received salvation 'without the Sacraments' (CCC 1257-God is not limited to the Sacraments) could have died and have returned to life after death to be baptized with water, as was the experience of St. Francis Xavier. They were not sent to Hell.
Also a non Catholic in invincible ignorance could have had a preacher sent to him by God, to be taught the faith and to be baptized with water.This was taught by St.Thomas Aquinas.
So all who are in Heaven are there with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.The ordinary means of salvation is faith and baptism. It is not being saved in invincible ignorance, seeds of the Word etc.
However either way, with the baptism of water or 'without the Sacrament', these cases are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney.They are known only to God.
CCC 1257 does not contradict itself when it says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water.
CCC 1257 also does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since these cases are not explict.

Feeneyism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church and there are no exceptions to Feeneyism.Feeneyism is an affirmation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,whose text does not mention any exceptions.
-Lionel Andrades


DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS     http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links