Friday, July 6, 2018

What happens when Cardinal Marx knows...will he accept this reality, or will he go into schism?

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What happens when Cardinal Marx will know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the baptism of  desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, as referring to only hypothetical cases and so they are not objective exceptions to the past ecclesiology and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
What happens when he realizes that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are all hypothetical cases in 2018 ? 
Will he be able to accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century?
Does he have any other rational choice ? No.
So will he reject Vatican Council II (rational) ?
Will he reject the Catechism of the Catholic Church(interpreted rationally)?
Will he reject the Nicene Creed interpreted with Feeneyism and without the irrational premise?
Will he accept that there is no known salvation outside the Church and all Protestants are outside the Church?
Will he accept all this?
Or will he and his friends go into schism?
-Lionel Andrades

JULY 6, 2018

Repost : It will be the liberals who will have to reject Vatican Council II. The German bishops will be in trouble. This will be unacceptable for them
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/reposts-it-will-be-liberals-who-will.html



JULY 6, 2018

Repost : Would the German bishops go into schism?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-would-german-bishops-go-into.html


JULY 6, 2018

Repost : German Court would find the Knights of Malta and the Catholic bishops of Germany untruthful and telling a lie
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-german-court-would-find-knights.html



JULY 6, 2018

Repost : German President must respect Catholic beliefs before and after Vatican Council II :outside the Church there is no salvation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-german-president-must-respect.html



JULY 6, 2018

Repost : Tell Card.Marx that you affirm Vatican Council II according to Lionel Andrades.There is no known salvation outside the Church. So Protestants cannot receive the Eucharist (Graphics)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-tell-cardmarx-that-you-affirm.html



JULY 6, 2018

Repost : Theologically Cardinal Ladaria supports Cardinal Marx : Holy Communion for Protestants
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-theologically-cardinal-ladaria.html

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Repost : It will be the liberals who will have to reject Vatican Council II. The German bishops will be in trouble. This will be unacceptable for them

MAY 5, 2018


Once this is made known it will be the liberals and the present Magisterium who will have to ask God for Mercy and help them not go into schism, a schism from the Left.

Anonymous said...
What of any value is left to be said except for Lord, have mercy?
Lionel: We can also announce that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2017-2018. We cannot meet or see any one saved as such outside the Church in the present times.
Secondly we can also announce that there are no known cases ; no physically visible cases, of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in 2017-2018. We cannot meet or see any one saved in the flesh ; saved in Heaven, without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
So there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).The Magisterium made an objective mistake in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case.It assumed invisible people were visible. Then postulated that these 'visible'  people were objective exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.



 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/six-of-pasqualuccis-distinct-points-of.html




There are no exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of EENS. There are none in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).


Even Mystici Corporis, Quanta Cura and the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X when they refer to BOD, BOB and I.I are referring to only hypothetical cases.So they never ever were exceptions to EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
Once this is made known it will be the liberals and the present Magisterium who will have to ask God for Mercy and help  them not to go into schism, a schism from the Left.
The position of the traditionalists and conservative Catholics would be rational, traditional and non heretical. So they will affirm the Faith with no innovation and will be doing nothing new.They would stay put.
It will be the liberals who will have to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents. Catholics in general will be informed and the liberals will not be able to use the false premise, as they are doing presently and getting away with it. .-Lionel Andrades
 

Repost : Would the German bishops go into schism?

FEBRUARY 17, 2018

Would the German bishops go into schism?

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The German bishops have it easy. Pope Benedict supports them today on doctrine.They are not confronted with Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).Since the liberals, traditionalists and conservatives can only interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism.
The German bishops too use Cushingism to interpret the Council and then there is a break with Tradition.They like it.
Image result for Photos  German Catholic Bishops conference
Now picture a scenario when Pope Benedict and Pope Francis admit in public that Vatican Council (Cushingite) is irrational and that Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) is the rational and traditional doctrinal teaching of the Church. They affirm Vatican Council II(Feeneyite). Now picture the tension among the German bishops.The German bishops Conference could reject Vatican Council (Feeneyite). 
Liberals rejecting Vatican Council II?
Image result for Photos  German Catholic Bishops conference with <Pope Francis
Liberals in the same position as the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) is in today?
On the other hand the traditionalists (picture this) will be thanking the popes for accepting Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) and Romes' coming back to the Faith, their discarding of Vatican Council II(Cushingite), which has a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.
Image result for Photos  German Catholic Bishops conference with <Pope Francis
They would of course welcome Vatican Councl II(Feeneyite) which is in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors , the past exclusivist ecclesiology and Feeneyite EENS. The magisterium after Vatican Council II would be in harmony with the Magisterium of the 16th century.
Would the German bishops go into schism?
-Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 17, 2018

The two popes and Cardinal Ladaria must be asked to affirm EENS (Feeneyite) and BOD(Feeneyite) and reject EENS(Cushingite) and BOD(Cushingite)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/the-two-popes-and-cardinal-ladaria-must.html


FEBRUARY 17, 2018



I am a Feeneyite who does not reject Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-who-does-not-reject.html

 FEBRUARY 17, 2018


I am a Feeneyite who does not reject BOD, BOB and I.I

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-who-does-not-reject-bod.html

FEBRUARY 17, 2018

6- To reinterpret Vatican Council II and switch from Cushingism to Feeneyism review your understanding of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/to-reinterpret-vatican-council-ii-and_17.html

FEBRUARY 17, 2018





I affirm baptism of desire(BOD) Feeneyite and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) Feeneyite.I do not reject BOD,baptism of blood (BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) which are always Feeneyite for me.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-affirm-baptism-of-desirebod-feeneyite.html







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Repost : German Court would find the Knights of Malta and the Catholic bishops of Germany untruthful and telling a lie

MAY 6, 2018

German Court would find the Knights of Malta and the Catholic bishops of Germany untruthful and telling a lie


Knights of Malta Demand That Chancellor Resign

A German court has found the Grand Chancellor of the Knights of Malta Albrecht Freiherr von Boeselager of being untruthful 1 similarly the German Court would find the Knights of Malta and the Catholic bishops of Germany untruthful and telling a lie - it would be the same with the courts in Britain.2 
They actually tell a lie to change the teachings of the Catholic Church with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)  and Vatican Council II.It's unethical.It's also academic deception at the Catholic Church's universities and schools in Germany.
The courts in Germany must be asked legally  :-
1) Can we humans see people in Heaven in general?
2) Can we see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith? 
The judge will say "No".
This is a common sense answer.
Then the judge in Hamburg has to be informed that the German bishops and the Knights of Maltasay there are exceptions to the traditional exclusivist understanding of salvation and so affirm points 1 and 2 above.
The judge will ask, "Where is the proof?"

HERE IS THE PROOF
1) For them there are exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as members with 'faith and baptism' for salvation.Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation ( to avoid Hell). They say no, not all.
2) For them there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
3) They reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church upon which was based the Old Ecumenism, the Old Ecclesiology, the Old Evangelisation and the Old Theology.
4) Since there is known salvation outside the Church for them, i.e they can see or meet people in the flesh saved without faith and baptism, they have created a New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation and New Theology. All this is based upon visible- for- us non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church.
5) For them Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) interpreted with this irrational premise is a rupture with the past popes. They have created a schism.
The judge may not make the connection and may again ask, "So where is the proof'". Then it has to be explained to him as follows.

EXPLAINING THE PROOF
1a) Since there are are exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation , they both infer that there are known people saved outside the Church.They personally know such people other wise how could there be exceptions, for example, in 2018 ?
2a) Since they both teach that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation) they personally know people saved outside the Church. This is the inference.
They can see or meet people who are now dead and saved in Heaven.So for them there are exceptions exceptions to the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, like being saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, the baptism of blood etc, all theoretical possibilities known only to God.
3a) Since they reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church, for them there are personally seen, known and visible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without 'faith and baptism'.They imply indirectly that a) we humans see people in Heaven in general and b) we  see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
4a) Since there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for the two of them, they have created, upon this irrationality, a new ecumenism, new evangelisation, new ecclesiology and new theology.It is all  based on the irrational premise of their being invisible non Catholics who are saved and personally known.
5a) So they interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) with this irrational premise to create a non traditional conclusion. The innovative conclusion is a rupture with the traditional teachings of the Church.There is a schism with the past popes since the English bishops believe we  1) humans can see people in Heaven in general and that we 2) can we see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith. 
These five points are the proof. They are not denied by the German  bishops and cardinals or any one in the Knights of Malta.
"But is there any text ?" he may ask.

REFERENCES TO TEXT WITH THE LIE , THE FALSE INFERENCE
Here are references to text where the lie is repeated, the false inference is used to create a liberal and non traditional conclusion, which is a rupture with the past Magisterium of the popes.
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In the course of the Council the “subsistit in” took the place of the previous “est”.[7] It contains in nuce the whole ecumenical problem.[8]The “est” claimed that the church of Christ Jesus “is” the Catholic Church. This strict identification of the church of Christ Jesus with the Catholic Church had been represented most recently in the encyclicals Mystici corporis (1943) and Humani generis (1950).[9] But even according to Mystici corporis there are people who, although they have not yet been baptised, are subsumed under the Catholic Church because that is their express desire (DS 3921). Therefore Pius XII had condemned an exclusive interpretation of the axiom “Extra ecclesiam nulla salus” already in 1949.- Cardinal Walter Kaspar, on the website of the Vatican Council for Christian Unity

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OCTOBER 21, 2011

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity claims Pope Pius XII condemned the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :suggests those in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/10/pontifical-council-for-promoting.html

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Cardinal Walter Kasper made a stunning statement in the pages of L'Osservatore Romano this past Friday. In offering some reflections on the challenges facing the Church and the continued (perpetual) problem of the "true implementation of Vatican II", Kasper, speaking with reference to the documents of the Council, stated:

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction." (Cardinal Walter Kasper,  L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)
http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.it/2013/04/kasper-admits-intentional-ambiguity.html

APRIL 19, 2013

Full of deception  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/full-of-deception.html4.OCTOBER 26, 2015Cardinal Kaspar changed ecclesiology assuming B is an exception to A : he used an irrational model to interpret Vatican Council IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-walter-kasper-said-in.html5.OCTOBER 29, 2015Cardinal Muller has changed doctrine, supports the development of heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-muller-has-changed-doctrine.html 

BOTH ARCHBISHOP MULLER AND DI NOIA MADE A FACTUAL ERROR IN THEIR SEPARATE INTERVIEWS WITH THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC REGISTER http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/both-archbishop-muller-and-di-noia-made.html  

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Pope Benedict wrongly assumed Robert Kennedy, Richard Cushing  and the Vatican ( Holy Office'49) were objectively correct and Fr.Leonard Feeney made a mistake http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/05/pope-benedict-assumed-robert-kennedy.html


GERMAN BISHOPS AND CARDINALS TEACHING A LIE
The courts in  Germany can be asked if the German Bishops and Cardinals can teach a falsehood, lie and deception in theology. The courts would not be asked to interpret Catholic theology or docrines but only to confirm if it is possible to physically see and persaonally meet people saved outside the Church, people who would be saved and now are in Heaven. Since this is the inference of the German bishops in their New Theology which states outside the Church there is known salvation.

VIOLATES PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION
Can there really be known salvation outside the Catholic Church with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance or would this only be known to God if it existed?
And if it is only known to God and there are no known cases in the present times for example 2018, then how can there can exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II which states all need faith and baptism for salvation (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II)?
Is this not a violation of the Principle of Non Contradiction even if it supported by the German Pope Benedict and German Cardinal Muller, former Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.-Lionel Andrades


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https://docs.google.com/document/d/12OkVTTm-4dxOf7RE4J6uwib3ZaHjkgfAKp2qJcdSY7Y/edit#
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/knights-of-malta-call-for-chancellor-to-resign

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APRIL 30, 2018
Ask the courts which condemned Alfie Evans... http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/ask-courts-which-condemned-alfie-evans.html

MAY 1, 2018
Catholic Archdiocese of Liverpool has an anti-Catholic Alder Hey policy on ecumenism etc : they deceive with the approval of the CBCEW which is unethical and possibly illegal http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/the-cathollic-archdiocese-of-liverpool.html

MAY 3, 2018
On salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet no one comments on this
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/on-salvation-theology-it-is-clear-that.html

MAY 2, 2018
English bishops are denying Church teaching on salvation in doctrine and practise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/english-bishops-are-denying-church.html

MAY 2, 2018
English bishops reject doctrine on salvation and pastorally implement the heresy.No denial from them : they will deny that in principle they support euthanasia or giving the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried but not on salvation theology
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/english-bishops-reject-doctrine-on.html

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Repost : German President must respect Catholic beliefs before and after Vatican Council II :outside the Church there is no salvation

 MAY 16, 2018

German President must respect Catholic beliefs before and after Vatican Council II :outside the Church there is no salvation

The Leftist President of Germany Frank-Walter Steinmeierhas has  1 called for the Catholic Church to allow Protestants to receive the Eucharist at Mass. He does not respect our Catholic beliefs before and after Vatican Council II.The Catholic Church teaches that all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).2Every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell( for salvation).According to Vatican Council II Protestants are all oriented to Hell since they do not have faith, Catholic faith.We don't know any one in Germany saved outside the Church with UR 3,GS 22, LG8,LG 14, LG 16,NA 2, GS 22.3These are references to speculative cases, things we hope for. 
In Heaven there are only Catholics according to Vatican Council II, those who are there with faith and baptism, they will be in eternity praising God in happiness.
So the Eucharist is reserved only for Catholics who do not live in sin, mortal sin.
Protestants are in heresy and apostasy and live in sin in general. So they are not prepared; not worthy to receive the Eucharist.It is not enough to believe in Jesus to receive the Eucharist, since even Catholics who believe in Jesus but live in mortal sin are not worthy.
St.Paul cautions the Catholics at Corinth that they they must not receive the Eucharist unworthily during at Mass in Greek.
Protestants spouses in Germany are living in adultery with their Catholic spouse.They are outside the Church.Their marriage is not a Sacrament. A Catholic marriage is only between two Catholics.A non believer is an impediment to the marriage being a Sacrament.
Similarly cardinals and bishops who do not believe in the teachings of the Church, are in mortal sins of faith. They  sacrilegiously offer Holy Mass.
Protestants need to convert into the Church and live the Gospel as traditionally taught in the Church.Then they can receive the Eucharist worthily and it will not bring condemnation upon themselves  for being outside the Church..
The President of Germany an evangelical Christian should set an example and appeal to all non Catholics to convert into the Catholic Church and then receive the Eucharist at Holy Mass.Since outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and this is the teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II.The Catholic Church in Germany is presently burdened with the non separation of Satanic secularism and State and the separation of the Catholic Church and State.-Lionel Andrades

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http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/german-president-catholic-church-should-share-communion-with-protestants/?platform=hootsuite

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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.

Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

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UR 3( imperfect communion with the Church),GS 22( people of good will), LG 8 (elements of sanctification and truth in other religions) ,LG 14( unknown catechumen saved without the baptism of water and only with the desire for the baptism of water), LG 16( saved in invincible ignorance or with a good conscience) , NA 2 (The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions)

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MAY 7, 2018


Repost : Tell Card.Marx that you affirm Vatican Council II according to Lionel Andrades.There is no known salvation outside the Church. So Protestants cannot receive the Eucharist (Graphics)

FEBRUARY 23, 2018

Tell Card.Marx that you affirm Vatican Council II according to Lionel Andrades.There is no known salvation outside the Church. So Protestants cannot receive the Eucharist (Graphics)

He rejected the idea that this path is a path that calls the Protestants to conversion, calling it an “ecumenism of return or conversion.” The German cardinal thus stressed that the document does not mention that Protestants may receive Holy Communion only if they convert.-Cardinal Marx 1






FEBRUARY 22, 2018


So at least the traditionalists should tell the two popes that they follow Lionel Andrades' interpretation on Vatican Council II and EENS.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/so-at-least-traditionalists-should-tell.html












-Lionel Andrades



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 FEBRUARY 23, 2018

Germany’s bishops approve Communion for Protestant spouses

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/germanys-bishops-approve-communion-for.html



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Pope Francis changes doctrine when he chooses the irrational column to interpret Vatican Council II : Protestants redeemed ( with graphics)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/pope-francis-changes-doctrine-when-he.html


















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