Wednesday, July 18, 2018

Archbishop Guido Pozzo does not affirm the Syllabus of Errors and EENS since LG 8, LG 16 etc are not hypothetical cases for him in the present time

Whenever Archbishop Guido Pozzo says Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition he should be asked if he affirms the Syllabus of Errors and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the missionaries of the 16th century.He will say no. So he accepts Vatican Council II (C) but rejects EENS (Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
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Then he must be asked if he interprets the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance (I.I) as referring to only hypothetical cases. He will say no they are real people known to us in the present times.So they are exceptions to EENS for him.He rejects the traditional interpretation and acceptance of BOD, BOB and I.I as just being hypothetical cases. They cannot be anything else for us humans.
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Then if BOD, BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical and non existing people in our reality, whenever they are mentioned in the Catechisms of Trent, Pius X and John Paul II(1994), they cannot contradict Feeneyite EENS.For him they are exceptions.The Catechism of the Catholic Church(C) is a rupture with EENS ( Feeneyite) for him.
So for Archbishop Guido Pozzo,Vatican Council II(LG 8 etc) is a rupture with Tradition.
He does not affirm EENS (Feeneyite).
He does not affirm the Syllabus of Errors( ecumenism of return etc).
He affirms the Catechisms(C) as a rupture with EENS and does not interpret the Catechisms with Feeneyism.
He accepts the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 in which BOD etc is a rupture with EENS.
So Vatican Council II has to be a rupture with Tradition.

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For me as a Catholic BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible people in 2018 so BOD etc do not contradict Feeneyite EENS.
The Catechisms which mention BOD, BOB and I.I refer to theoretical and speculative cases and so they cannot  contradict Feeneyite EENS for me.
BOD, BOB and I.I and also LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are hypothetical for me.So the  Council is in harmony with EENS ( Feeneyite), the Catechisms(Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, the Nicene Creed (Feeneyite) and BOD, BOB and I.I ( Feeneyite).
-Lionel Andrades

JULY 18, 2018


If you cite Archbishop Lefebvre, Pope Pius XII and the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) you are interpretig LG 16 as referring to known people saved outside the Church.You are following this train of thinking

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/if-you-cite-archbishop-lefebvre-pope.html


 JULY 18, 2018

Whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, LOHO, Pope Pius XII etc if LG 16 is invisible or visible determines the interpretation of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whatever-is-your-opinion-of-fr-leonard.html


JULY 18, 2018


Whether you believe in the Bologna School or what ever how you look at LG 16 determines how you interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whether-you-believe-in-bologna-school.html



 JULY 18, 2018

Archbishop Guido Pozzo is not allowing the Ars Celebrandi participants to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms with Feeneyism( invisible people are invisible only). Since then there will not be a rupture with EENS , which he will not affirm in public
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/archbishop-guido-pozzo-is-not-allowing.html


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If you cite Archbishop Lefebvre, Pope Pius XII and the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) you are interpretig LG 16 as referring to known people saved outside the Church.You are following this train of thinking.

If you cite Archbishop Lefebvre, Pope Pius XII and the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) you are interpretig LG 16 as referring to known people saved outside the Church.You are following this train of thinking.
Like Archbishop Guido Pozzo you may say that Vatican Council II has a  hermeneutic of continuity with the past but this is false.
Archbishop Guido Pozzo cannot affirm EENS(Feeneyite) , the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. He refuses to do so.
Since for him LG 16 must refer to visible people saved outside the Church and so in this way the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) becomes obsolete and Fr. Leonard Feeney emerges wrong.The Holy Office would not have made a mistake for him in 1949.
Obviously LG 16 is a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors and EENS for him.
LG 16 refers to known people saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance.He can allegedly meet and see them today.So they are objective exceptions to EENS as it was interpreted by the Magisterium in the 16th century.
This is his train of thought when he cites LOHO and Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades


 JULY 18, 2018

Whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, LOHO, Pope Pius XII etc if LG 16 is invisible or visible determines the interpretation of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whatever-is-your-opinion-of-fr-leonard.html


JULY 18, 2018


Whether you believe in the Bologna School or what ever how you look at LG 16 determines how you interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whether-you-believe-in-bologna-school.html



 JULY 18, 2018


Archbishop Guido Pozzo is not allowing the Ars Celebrandi participants to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms with Feeneyism( invisible people are invisible only). Since then there will not be a rupture with EENS , which he will not affirm in public

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/archbishop-guido-pozzo-is-not-allowing.html




Whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, LOHO, Pope Pius XII etc if LG 16 is invisible or visible determines the interpretation of Vatican Council II

I repeat whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (LOHO) and Pope Pius XII, the interpretation of Vatican Council II depends upon how you interpret LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc.If they  refer to known or unknown people in 2018 saved outside the Church determines the interpretation.
You can support the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO)  but if LG 16 etc refers to unknown people in the present times, then Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict and traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.
So if LG 16 etc refers to known people saved outside the Church then Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), as it was interpreted by the Magisterium in the 16th century.
If LG 16 etc refers to unknown people in the present times then the Council does not contradict EENS as it was known to the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.
Pope Pius XII, Fr.Leonard Feeney and the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) are irrelevant, since if outside the Church there is salvation or no salvation, according to Vatican Council II, depends upon how you interpret LG 16 etc.
You may cite Fr. John Zuhlsdorf or the Bologna School, or the National Catholic Reporter or Commonweal, but finally if LG 16 refers to physically visible or invisible people in our reality, determines Vatican Council II's hermeneutic of rupture or continuity with Tradition ; with EENS and the past ecclesiology of the Church.-Lionel Andrades

Whether you believe in the Bologna School or what ever how you look at LG 16 determines how you interpret Vatican Council II

Whatever is your opinion about Vatican Council II, if  Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance)  refers to known or unknown non- Catholics in the present times determines your interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Lumen Gentium 16 (LG 16) is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) or it is not.
For me it is not an exception to EENS. For about every one else it is.
You may say that you support the Bologna School in the interpretation of Vatican Council II or you support some other opinion but is LG 16 referring to known people saved outside the Church or are they just hypothetical cases?
For the Bologna School, which Pope Francis it is said supports, LG 16 refers to known people saved outside the Catholic Church.For me LG 16 is a reference to theoretical and speculative cases.So LG 16 is irrelevant to the dogma EENS and the Syllabus of Errors, which are valid and not obsolete for me.
So however you may interpret Vatican Council II finally the issue is - does LG 16 refer to known people saved outside the Church or it  refers to unknown people ? -Lionel Andrades

Archbishop Guido Pozzo is not allowing the Ars Celebrandi participants to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms with Feeneyism( invisible people are invisible only). Since then there will not be a rupture with EENS , which he will not affirm in public

The Ars Celebrandi participants in Poland cannot do Mission since the organizers interpret Vatican Council II (Cushingite) as contradicting extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite) and they do not accept Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) which is in harmony with EENS ( Feeneyite) and the past ecclesiology of the Church.
They cannot tell all non Catholics that they are going  to Hell since with Vatican Council II (Cushingite), the only interpretation of the Council they know, there are allegedly known people saved outside the Church.This is the New Theology which was accepted by Archbishop Lefebvre  and which is maintained by Archbishop Guido Pozzo of Ecclesia Dei.
So the traditionalists are not really interested in Catholic theology and doctrine.
Archbishop Guido Pozzo is not allowing the Ars Celebrandi  participants to interpret Vatican Council II  and the Catechisms with Feeneyism( invisible people are invisible only).
Since then there will not be a rupture with EENS , which he will not affirm in public.The rupture with Tradition is important for him.
-Lionel Andrades