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Cardinal Braz de Avez, Archbishops Carbello, Pozzo,Di Noia and the media Reuters, Associated Press, La Stampa could clarify if they are referring to Vatican Council II interpreted with LG 16 being visible or invisible since either way the interpretation of the Council II changes.

1.So now when Reuters, Associated Press, La Stampa and Archbishops Pozzo and Di Noia  say that the SSPX has to accept Vatican Council II for canonical recognition, may be some good soul can help the SSPX out and ask all the parties concerned, in public, if they are referring to Vatican Council II with LG 16 being visible or invisible?

2.Similarly the next time Cardinal Braz de Avez says that the Franciscans of the Immaculate must accept Vatican Council II, may be someone not associated with the traditionalists, who are part of the problem, could clarify if he is referring to a Council with LG 16 being invisible or visible?

3.Likewise when Archbishop Jose Rodriguez Carballo says that the contemplative communities must accept Vatican Council II, may be  a non Catholic who has not been conditioned like educated Catholics, could ask him, in public, if he is referring to Vatican Council II with LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, seen as known people saved outside the Church in the present times or are they just hypothetical cases? Since either way the interpretation of Vatican Council II changes. The Council supports or rejects the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiology.
So the interpretation of Vatican Council II depends upon LG 16 etc as referring to visible or invisible people in the present times, saved outside the Church. 1

-Lionel Andrades

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JULY 19, 2018

Nicole Winfield of the Associated Press and Phillip Pullela of Reuters continue the propaganda on Vatican Council II by asssuming LG 16 refers to a visible and known person saved outside the Catholic Church    

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/nicole-winfield-of-associated-press-and.html

Nicole Winfield of the Associated Press and Phillip Pullela of Reuters continue the propaganda on Vatican Council II by asssuming LG 16 refers to a visible and known person saved outside the Catholic Church.

Whatever is your opinion of Vatican Council II, the 'spirit of Vatican Council II', the 'revolution of Vatican Council II or 'the paradigm shift' with the Council.. your interpretation of Vatican Council II depends upon your seeing LG 16 etc as referring to visible or invisible people in the present times. It is too simple to believe until you check it out.

So  when the mainstream media refers to the 'revolution' of Vatican Council II there is no revolution if LG 16 refers to invisible people in the present times. Since invisible non Catholics allegedly saved outside the Church are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Only with visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance(LG 16) or elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8) does Vatican Council II become a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism etc)

Nicole Winfield of the Associated Press and Phillip Pullela of Reuters continue the propaganda on Vatican Council II while interpreting Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) as referring to visible and known people saved outside the Catholic Church. So LG 16 becomes an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Syllabus of Errors( ecumenism of return) and the past ecclesiology of the Church.

The Associated Press correspondent was there on March 1,2018 at the Placeut Deo Press Conference.She asked for the Zionist if the the Catholic Church still teaches that it has the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation.Cardinal Ladaria obliged and interpreted LG 8 for her, as referring to visible and known people saved outside the Church.Everyone was happy there was a rupture with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors, with the use of the false premise( unknown cases in 2018 of non Catholics mentioned in LG 8 are objective exceptions to traditional EENS).

We cannot only blame the enemies of the Catholic Church and their media. For 12 years Bishop Bernard Fellay interpreted  LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 etc as physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church. Then he would criticize Vatican Council II.

In spite of so many reports on line he did nothing.The SSPX bishops and priests did nothing to correct the SSPX error.Since Archbishop Lefebvre interpreted LG 8, LG 16 etc as referring to visible and known people saved outside the Church.

Someone needs to tell Reuters and AP and the new Superior General of the SSPX that whatever is their theory on Vatican Council II it is irrelevant.Since Vatican Council II's  rupture or continuity with Tradition is decided if LG 16 refers to visible or invisible people saved outside the Church.(For more information see the tags on the right hand bar,check Feeneyism and Cushingism, False Premise and Blue and Red Column.)

1.So now when Reuters, Associated Press, La Stampa and Archbishops Pozzo and Di Noia  say that the SSPX has to accept Vatican Council II for canonical recognition, may be some good soul can help the SSPX out and ask all the parties concerned in public, if they are referring to Vatican Council II with LG 16 being visible or invisible?

2.Similarly the next time Cardinal Braz de Avez says that the Franciscans of the Immaculate must accept Vatican Council II, may be someone not associated with the traditionalists, who are part of the problem, could clarify if he is referring to a Council with LG 16 being invisible or visible?

3.Likewise when Archbishop Jose Rodriguez Carballo says that the contemplative communites must accept Vatican Council II, may be  a non Catholic who has not been conditioned like educated Catholics, could ask him in public if he is referring to Vatican Council II with LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, seen as known people saved outside the Church in the present times or are they just hypothetical cases? Since either way the interpretation of Vatican Council II changes. The Council supports or rejects the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiology.
So the interpretation of Vatican Council II depends upon LG 16 etc as referring to visible or invisible people in the present times, saved outside the Church. 
I have been saying this in 2015 with reference to some of the reports of AP and Reuters but they continue their propaganda as if I do not exist. It is the same with the National Catholic Reporter, Commonweal,Tablet and Catholic Herald, U.K  who have their own agenda to meet even if it is irrational.-Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 14, 2015

No denial from Phillip Pullela and Nicole Winfield    https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/10/no-denial-from-phillip-pullela-and.html

JUNE 27, 2018

Repost : Reuters makes factual, objective mistake too

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/repost-reuters-makes-factual-objective.html

 JULY 18, 2018

If you cite Archbishop Lefebvre, Pope Pius XII and the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) you are interpretig LG 16 as referring to known people saved outside the Church.You are following this train of thinking.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/if-you-cite-archbishop-lefebvre-pope.html

DECEMBER 11, 2015

Traditionalists like Reuters correspondents use Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II : Feeneyism cannot be part of the dialogue

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/12/traditionalists-like-reuters.html
 JULY 18, 2018

Archbishop Guido Pozzo does not affirm the Syllabus of Errors and EENS since LG 8, LG 16 etc are not hypothetical cases for him in the present time  

 JULY 18, 2018

Whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, LOHO, Pope Pius XII etc if LG 16 is invisible or visible determines the interpretation of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whatever-is-your-opinion-of-fr-leonard.htmlhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/archbishop-guido-pozzo-does-not-affirm.html

JULY 18, 2018Whether you believe in the Bologna School or what ever how you look at LG 16 determines how you interpret Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whether-you-believe-in-bologna-school.html

 JULY 18, 2018 Archbishop Guido Pozzo is not allowing the Ars Celebrandi participants to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms with Feeneyism( invisible people are invisible only). Since then there will not be a rupture with EENS , which he will not affirm in public    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/archbishop-guido-pozzo-is-not-allowing.html    

JANUARY 15, 2017 Media chooses Vatican Council II (Cushingite) instead of Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) : approved magisterial heresy  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/01/media-chooses-vatican-council-ii_15.html

OCTOBER 27, 2015Associated Press blacks out information on magisterial heresy : AP reports on Vatican Council II were based on a factual error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/associated-press-blacks-out-information.html  

JANUARY 13, 2017Thomas D.Williams calls for a reform in the Church with a new theology and new doctrines which are heretical and irrational but politically correct with the Left, of which he now is a part of   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/01/thomas-dwilliams-calls-for-reform-in.html

OCTOBER 28, 2015 The Vatican has made a mistake and there is a cover up by liberal journalists  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-vatican-has-made-mistake-and-there.html

JULY 18, 2018

If you cite Archbishop Lefebvre, Pope Pius XII and the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) you are interpreting LG 16 as referring to known people saved outside the Church.You are following this train of thinking.http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/if-you-cite-archbishop-lefebvre-pope.html

DECEMBER 11, 2015
Traditionalists like Reuters correspondents use Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II : Feeneyism cannot be part of the dialogue http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/12/traditionalists-like-reuters.html