Without denying the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance she is affirming the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
I have received two e-mails saying that the baptism of desire is a teaching of the Catholic Church and it cannot be denied. I agree. I affirm the baptism of desire which is always implicit. I reject an explicitly-known baptism of desire.
The Church Fathers, popes and saints accepted an implicit baptism of desire. None of them claimed that it was explicit or that it contradicted the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Neither did they say that this was the ordinary means of salvation. Neither is Daphne McLeod making this error.
She is saying that being saved with the baptism of desire does not contradict the centuries-old interpretation of the dogma as it was taught to her.
At the Pontifical Beda College, Rome, the Catholic seminary under the Bishops of England and Wales, they teach that there can be non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and this contradicts the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.
This is being taught by the present Rector Mons. Roderick Strange with the approval of the bishops of England and Wales. This is also being taught by Mons. Andrew Falley, the former Vice Rector of the Beda College. He now represents the Catholic Bishops Conference in England in ecumenism and dialogue with other religions.For them Lumen Gentium 16 (1) contradicts the dogma. Daphne McLeod denies this.
Even priests and bishops with the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX indicate those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. Administrators at traditionalist internet forums hold the same view. While many priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass in Rome agree with Daphne McLeod. They say we do not know any such case of invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.(3) So it does not contradict the dogma. Simple reason. No theology.
The traditionalists and English bishops suggest that Pope Pius XII contradicted himself. Pope Pius XII referred to those saved with the baptism of desire (explicitly known!?) yet he also mentioned ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’. The dogma indicates everyone needs to convert into the Church for salvation and mentions no exceptions of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance. Confusion in the Letter of the Holy Office?! Is the Letter saying some ‘explicitly known cases’ do not have to enter the church and also, every one needs to enter the Church with no exceptions? Vatican Council II could also be a great confusion for the traditionalists and the English bishops. Since they believe that LG 16 refers to explicitly known cases, while LG 14, AG 7 (2) says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.
The bishops and traditionalist are violating the Principle of Non Contradiction unlike Daphne McLeod.
For her those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) are implicit while all people need to enter the Church explicitly (LG 16, AG7).Pope Pius XII tells us in the Letter of the Holy Office that de jure (in principle) there can be non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire. De facto everyone with no exception needs to enter the Church (according to the dogma).
It’s all simple. There can be non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance and it does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441) and Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7).
So Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct in saying everyone needs to be a visible member of the Church and there are no exceptions. Pope Pius XII supported him on doctrine, 'the dogma' in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
It was the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits who were in heresy with their explicitly-known implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance. The Boston Heresy Case really refers to them but the secular, liberal media will not admit it.
I know that when I meet a non Catholic on the street I cannot judge if he will be saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire and I know that the dogma says he is oriented to Hell unless he converts into the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades
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Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gemtium 16,Vatican Council II.
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Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14,Vatican Council II
3.Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II
CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OFNON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/non-catholics-can-be-saved-in.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#links
DAPHNE MCLEOD COMMENT A BOMBSHELL FOR ENGLISH BISHOPS?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/daphne-mcleod-comment-bombshell-for.html
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