Mons. Ignacio Barreiro, Fr.Joseph Kramer FSSP and Fr.Francesco Giordano will not affirm the 'old ecclesiology' in public in Rome.
They offer the Tridentine Rite Mass in Rome and affirm the 'new ecclesiology' even after being infomed. Neither will they provide their name and telephone number , for any one who wants information about the teachings of the Catholic Church.They will not provide this information for a pamphlet which says the Catholic Church teaches that Islam and the other religions are not paths to salvation. They call it being prudent. They mean this in a worldly sense.
They do not want to be persecuted while they will persecute any one who affirms the 'old ecclesiology' and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Vatican Council II is in accord with the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the position of Fr.Leonard Feeney. They are not going to say this in public.
So here we have the ecclesiology not being dependent on the Traditional Latin Mass as the SSPX believes it is.
Then there are priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass in Rome who affirm the dogma on salvation in agreement with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.They support the 'old ecclesiology'. The new ecclesioology would be irrational since it is based on an irrational premise. It uses the dead man walking and visible theory.
So ecclesiology, here depends on the use or omission of a false premise in the interpretation of magisterial documents.This is independent of the liturgy.
-Lionel Andrades
Ecclesiology is not dependent on the liturgy
Photos of the Traditional Latin Mass at St.Peter's Basilica whose participants assume there are known exceptions to the old ecclesiology in Vatican Council II and so support the 'new ecclesiology' with the false premise.
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