Thursday, September 11, 2014

Two Catholic Conferences this week end: how would they interpret Redemptoris Missio?

Members of both conferences will use the irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and also  Redemptoris Missio. The result is that at one conference they will accept Vatican Council II as a break with the past and at the other Conference they will reject Vatican Council II as a break with the infallible teaching.Both  Conferences will be unaware that they are using an irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, Dominus Iesus, Redemptois Missio etc.
Redemptois Missio
Salvation in Christ Is Offered to All
10. The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the Church.
Salvation is open to all, in potential.
 Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all.
It is God who decides to whom it has been made available and who is in invincible ignorance. All have an obligation to convert.(John 3:6,Mk.16:16)
Those who are saved or will be saved in invincible ignorance etc are not known to us in 2014.So it must not be inferred that these cases are exceptions to all needing to formally convert into the Church for salvation.
 But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the gospel revelation or to enter the Church.
These people are not known to us. We cannot judge who they are and who among them will be saved or not.
 The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation.
Theoretically, hypothethically, yes. De facto, in real life, in 2014 we do not know any such case. So it must not be inferred that these cases are explcit exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.-Redemptoris Missio
In potential, as a possibility, yes.However to receive salvation all need to respond and enter the Catholic Church, with 'faith and baptism ( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).
Redemptoris Missio
28. The Spirit manifests himself in a special way in the Church and in her members. Nevertheless, his presence and activity are universal, limited neither by space nor time.35 The Second Vatican Council recalls that the Spirit is at work in the heart of every person, through the "seeds of the Word," to be found in human initiatives-including religious ones-and in mankind's efforts to attain truth, goodness and God himself.
We must be careful here.We must not infer that those saved with the 'seeds of the Word' are visible and known to us. They are unknown to us in 2014.They are invisible cases. So they cannot be exceptions to all needing to be formal members of the Church , with faith and baptism, for salvation.
The Call to Holiness Conference members will assume that those saved with the 'seeds of the Word(AG 11) are visible to us in real life. This will be the false premise.
Then they will conclude that these 'visible in the flesh' cases are explicit exceptions to all needing to be formal members of the Catholic Church in the present times.
So they conclude that Vatican Council II is a break with the past dogma.They will accept this.
At the Catholic Identity Conference they will use the same reasoning. They will reject Vatican Council II ( with the premise) and affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They do not know that there is a third option. If they do not use the false premise they can accept Vatican Council II  and also extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They can accept a baptism of desire which is a hypothethical probability alongwith the Feeneyite interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades

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Catholic Identity Conference 2014 flyer

Two Catholic Conferences this week end : how would they interpret Dominus Iesus ?


1 comment:

George Brenner said...

From a posting by MRyan on the "No Salvation outside the Catholic Church Forum".....

" We are infallibly certain that every soul in heaven enjoys the fullness of the truth. " and let me add that they lovingly embrace, understand and accept the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church in that full truth and sanctity.

Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible ignorance are not new. One can cite the Baltimore Catechism in print since 1885:

Question 159: What is Baptism of desire?


Baptism of desire is an ardent wish to receive Baptism, and to do all that God has ordained for our salvation.

When I was a child in grade school in the late 50's and early 60's it was clearly taught that there was no Salvation Outside the Catholic Church, one needs to be baptized and die a Catholic free from mortal sin to go to Heaven or Purgatory. BOB, BOD and Invincible Ignorance were simply defacto teachings that were in the hands of God to decide if and when these cases should they occur at judgement. They were a recognition of God's possible mercy. (unknown mercy to us on earth when and if they occur). They were never options that could be offered to someone in place of conversion that all non Catholics must embrace and join the Catholic Church. It is only a recent development that all save a few clerics and lay Catholics have distorted these possibly mercies to openly teach that a person can choose Baptism of Desire consciously as an option for Salvation. These possible mercies are sound Catholic teaching but are completely irrelevant for Catholics to offer them as a means of Salvation or even worse to assume as Cardinal Cushing did in teaching and thinking that many non Catholics are fine chaps and on the road to Salvation. We lovingly and with truth and charity must tell and teach all Catholics and non Catholics that all must join the Catholic Church for Salvation.
Needless to say this is no longer the teaching mission of almost all in the Church but most certainly is the teaching mission of the Catholic Church.


George Brenner