Saturday, October 18, 2014

Maria Guarini, Father Stefano of Radio Vobiscum also like Padre Serafino Lanzetta FFI make the same mistake on Vatican Council II

Maria Guarini intervieved by Father Stefano of the SSPX for Radio Vobiscum, also like Padre Serafino Lanzetta FFI, makes the same mistake on Vatican Council II.
Maria Guarini an Italian scholar, author and traditionalist, only understands Vatican Council II interpretated with an irrational premise. So for her Lumen Gentium would be a contradiction to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,  as it is for P.Serafino Lanzetta in his new book. For them Lumen Gentium 8,16 and 14 refer to visible in the flesh cases and so it is a  contradiction of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the rest of Tradition. In other words, those who are saved in 'invincible ignorance', 'elements of sanctification and truth'  or  'subsist it ' in other Christian communities, are known to us, they are physically visible to be explicit exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church.They can see the dead now in Heaven?
 
Maria Guarini is not aware like Fr.Stefano of Radio Vobiscum, and most  of the SSPX, that the original error was made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII. The Letter wrongly assumed that those who were saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance ( who never had the Gospel preached to them through no fault of their own) are known to us in the present times.So in the Letter this category of the deceased saved  are exceptions to the literal and traditonal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
 
It was in the Letter of the Holy Office that the Catholic Church broke with its traditional teachings on other religions and Christian communities and yet this modernism was accepted by the traditionalists including the SSPX and Maria Guarini.
Ironically they approved the irrational reasoning in the Letter of the Holy Office ,used that  same reasoning when interpreting Vatican Council II and then rejected the Council.
 
For me LG 16,LG 8 etc do not refer to visibile in the flesh cases but are possibilities known only to God. There may not have been even a single such case over the last 100 years.We do not know and cannot know.So what does not exist in our reality we must not claim exists.
Since they do not exist in our reality they cannot be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water in 2014 to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.This is no contradiction to Tradition.Maria Guarini cannot meet someone in Rome, saved with the baptism of desire.
So LG16,8,14 etc do not contradict the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus unless it is assumed that the dead-saved are visible to us..Vatican Council II is in agreement with the dogma as interpreted by the Church Councils, popes, saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 
http://chiesaepostconcilio.blogspot.it/2014/10/dal-nuovo-testo-di-p-serafino-lanzetta.html



Sui poteri del Pontefice e sul suo rapportarsi alla collegialità dunque molto influisce l’ambiguità della Lumen Gentium alla quale Paolo VI, messo sull'avviso dai Padri del Coetus Internationalis Patrum, cercò di rimediare con la Nota Praevia stesa sotto la supervisione del Cardinal Ottaviani. E tuttavia tale nota, con molta coerenza progressista posta in calce alla Costituzione, viene sistematicamente "saltata" essendo, appunto, "praevia"...
http://chiesaepostconcilio.blogspot.it/p/le-insidie-della-collegialita.html
 

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