Monday, October 20, 2014

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and the Vatican Curia's doctrinal position has become their political stand : talks could collapse again because of egoism

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and the Vatican Curia's doctrinal position has become their political position.Both are making a doctrinal error and not admitting it in public.The SSPX -CDF talks show that both groups are not being honest. Individual members could be protecting their reputations.They may not want to disappoint friends and supporters.This is a political issue for them.They have to stay with the 'party line'. They cannot say that all these years both groups made a major doctrinal error.
 
 
 
 
 
Someone important has to stand up and tell the Vatican Curia and the SSPX leadership that we cannot physically see the dead on earth so Vatican Council II does not contradict Church teachings on other religions and Christian communities.There can be only one rational hermeneutic- that of continuity.

Consider Dr.Joseph Shaw who comes across as a liberal and traditionalist in England.He will not say there are no explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus mentioned in Vatican Council II.No exceptions in Vatican Council II ? Can he proclaim that 'rigid' position? He will not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus as a professor of theology.Since at Oxford University  they reject the dogma and he is employed by them.
 He is also the Chairman of the Latin Mass Society recognised by the Vatican.So prudent ,he will not criticize the factual error made by Gavin D'Costa on a video.The video is placed on the websites of the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales and the University of Bristol.
 
 

He will not raise his voice on this issue even when the Vatican-SSPX doctrinal talks collapse once again.He attends the Traditional Latin Mass  and is under the liberal political Establishment.
Similarly Dr.Joh Rao has an academic career to protect and will love to talk at conferences where he will not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Vatican Council II.
Even the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney are making this same error and so reject Vatican Council II. For the the Council is a break with the past and the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.They use a false premise in the interpretation of the Council. This is their political position as traditionalists even after being informed.
I  asked Louie Verrecchio, blogger and speaker, who attends Holy Mass at an SSPX chapel to answer TWO QUESTIONS 1.if Louie Verrechio answers those two questions frankly, he will be out of step with John Vennari and Christopher Ferrera and the rest of the SSPX.Doctrine is a political issue.Theology has become political.
Neither will Verrecchio or any of the SSPX priests answer the two questions. Cardinal George Pell refuses to answer them.An Archbishop,priests and a lay apologist have answered those two questions.2.
I have been able to write all this since I am not in any of the political camps, proper.I am not a traditionalist.I  do not criticize the Neo Catechumenate Way (NCW) or the Charismatic Renewal. I attend Mass in the vernacular and support Medugorje and other  apparitions of Our Lady.
For me the NCW, Charismatics and Traditionaists  are all making a common error on doctrine.People in Heaven, for them, are visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This irrationality is not traditional but a subtle modernism accepted by the traditionalists.So the Traditionalists reject Vatican Council II(with the premise) and the NCW others accept it.Both are using the irrational inference which comes from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.Both groups seem unaware that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the irrationality.They are in the same leaky boat.
 I hope when I have to make difficult decisions I will always choose the Cross;.I hope I will always choose suffering, and not what my ego finds comfortable. There are many times when I fail too.-Lionel Andrades





 
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1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2014 ?
2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ? 

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Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson has said that the Society of St.Pius X must know that adherence to Vatican Council II and the Catechism does not put them at odds with Tradition.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-has-said.html#links
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links
REDEMPTORIST PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF NOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/redemptorist-priest-says-vatican.html#links
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html
 BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links 
 

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