Holocaust-denying bishop makes waves again with consecration
By NICOLE WINFIELD
VATICAN CITY (AP) — A Holocaust-denying Catholic bishop who made headlines in 2009 when Pope Benedict XVI rehabilitated him and members of his breakaway traditionalist society is heading for new trouble with the Vatican.
Lionel: He has not denied that the Holocaust happened.He has questioned the figure on the number of people actually killed in the Holocaust. He denies that they were killed in gas chambers.He acknowledges that there were hundreds of thousands killed in the Holocaust.
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The Rev. Rene Miguel Trincado Cvjetkovic confirmed the planned consecration of the Rev. Christian Jean-Michel Faure in an email to The Associated Press. The consecration was first reported by the traditionalist blog Rorate Caeli.
Williamson, Trincado and Faure have all been, or are in the process of being, kicked out of the Society of St. Pius X, which was formed in 1969 by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in opposition to the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council.
Lionel:'Modernizing reforms of Vatican Council II' is also a term of the Jewish Left media, as is 'Holocaust denying', for revisionist theories.
They mean Vatican Council II interpreted with an irrational premise and conclusion which comes from the Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani Letter of the Holy Office in 1949.It was supported by the Archbishop of Boston Richard Cushing and the Jewish Left media in Boston.
We cannot know any exceptions in the present times, today, this year, to the dogma. So Vatican Council II cannot contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma. There canot be any exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma. Ad Gentes 7 indicates all Jews and other non Catholics need to convert into the Church with 'faith and baptism' to avoid Hell. Vatican Council II is traditional on other religions and an ecumenism of return. APP always ignores this point. Protestants and Orthodox Christians do not have Catholic Faith which includes the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church, through which Jesus saves. Non Christians do not have 'faith and baptism'.
The strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation supports the necessity of all political and social systems having as their basis the Social Reign of Christ the King. This would be opposed by APP.
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They have opposed the society's recent efforts at reconciliation with the Holy See.
Lionel:The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) have really opposed the Holy See's position on Vatican Council II interpreted with the irrational premise and conclusion.Since this makes the Council a break with the strict interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church.
If the Holy See chooses to interpret Vatican Council without the false premise there can be a reconciliation.The announcement has first to be made by the Holy See.
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In 1988, the Vatican excommunicated Lefebvre, Williamson and three other bishops after Lefebvre consecrated them without papal consent.
In 2009, Benedict removed the excommunications in a bid to bring the group back into full communion with Rome and prevent further schism. But an uproar ensued after Williamson said in a television interview aired just before the decree was made public that he did not believe Jews were killed in gas chambers during World War II.
Lionel: The uproar was created by the Jewish Left. They were supported by the Catholic bishops conferences.So Pope Benedict who orginally defended Bishop Williamson, saying that he was free to have a personal opionion, backtracked.His Jesuit spokesman was criticized for the initial comment.
Under further politcal pressure Pope Benedict announced that he did not know of Bishop Williamson's mistake before.In other words if one denies the exact Holocaust figure acceptable to the Jewish Left , he deserves to remain excommunicated.
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Trincado said neither Williamson nor Faure fear a new excommunication "because what we intend with this consecration is to preserve the true Catholic faith from the greatest crisis that the church has suffered in her history."
Lionel:They will be excommunicated by a pope who has denied in public Catholic teachings on faith and morals. His pastoral approach permits the Traditional Latin Mass to be offered by only those who do not affirm in public, the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, supported by Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7).The popes also expect Catholics, like APP, to interpret Vatican Council II with Marchetti's irrational theory.
All this would warrant automatic excommunication under other popes.
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The Rev. Robert Gahl, a moral theologian at the Pontifical Holy Cross University in Rome, said the planned consecration incurs automatic excommunication for both Williamson and Faure.
He said the church is concerned because "such an act of disobedience" can deepen the schism across generations because of the attempt to make a new bishop who is capable also of ordaining priests.
Lionel: Professors of theology at the Holy Cross University in Rome, the Opus Dei university, are interpreting Vatican Council II in a heretical way but since it it politically correct with the Left no one is being excommunicated there.
They do not admit that exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma, must exist in the present times. Something or someone can only be an exception today. Every exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation has to happen today.Otherwise it will not be an exception.
Something that happened in the past cannot be an exception to the dogma on March 19, the feast of St.Joseph.
Something that will happen in the future cannot be an exception to the dogma on outside the church there is no salvation.
Something that happens in Heaven and is known only to God, cannot be an exception on earth to the dogma today;someone in Heaven cannot be an exception to all needing to convert formally into the Church on March 2015.He cannot be seen or known personally.
The message of the dogma is related to today,present times, this year. All need 'faith and baptism' for salvation today.All need to convert today into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.
Even if someone were to die without faith and baptism ( which is not de fide) we would not know of it today. He would not be an exception to the dogma today.So when Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7) mentions being saved in invincible ignorance or with implicit desire for the baptism of water it is superflous.It has no bearing on the defide teaching of the dogma on salvation.
So if a pope, cardinal , Opus Dei professor or magisterial document infers that there are exceptions today it is false.It has to be rejected.This is common sense.The dead -past, present or future- cannot be exceptions to all needing to convert into the Church today.So there cannot be exceptions in Vatican Council II to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma.There never were. Since the pope promotes this heresy no one is excommunicated at the pontifical universities.
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The SSPX has difficulty with several doctrinal positions as they were expressed at Vatican II, and believes they represent a rupture with Tradition. However, the SSPX has no problem with Baptism of Desire. I refer you to this link: http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htm.
They are quite clear in their own publication that they are solidly in line with the Modernist interpretation of No Salvation Outside the Church. I am in strong agreement with the Traditional "Feeneyite" interpretion myself, and have long expressed my belief that all of the problems in the Church began with this singular heresy.
The SSPX has difficulty with several doctrinal positions as they were expressed at Vatican II, and believes they represent a rupture with Tradition. However, the SSPX has no problem with Baptism of Desire. I refer you to this link: http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htm.
Lionel:
Yes it is a baptism of desire which is VISIBLE.
It is Cushingite baptism of desire.
It is irrational. It contadicts a baptism of desire which is interpreted as being INVISIBLE.So instead of a Feeneyite baptism of desire they opt for a Cushingite baptism of desire.
This is a change in doctrine. It is an innovation.
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They are quite clear in their own publication that they are solidly in line with the Modernist interpretation of No Salvation Outside the Church.
Lionel:
Yes it is the modernist interpretation of No Salvation Outside the Church. It is EENS( Cushingite).It differs of course from the original EENS of the Church Councils which did not mention any exceptions.
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I am in strong agreement with the Traditional "Feeneyite" interpretion myself, and have long expressed my belief that all of the problems in the Church began with this singular heresy.
Lionel: I agree with you that this is a heresy. However it can be avoided in the future.It is not something fixed in Vatican Council II. The issue is the inference.Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the inference from Cushingism or Feeneyism.
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