Thursday, October 15, 2015

Huffington Post interprets Vatican Council II with the Baltimore error

The Huffington Post
This shift included the Catholic Church's attitude toward other religions. Before Vatican II, Catholics weren't supposed to visit other denominations' houses of worship. "Catholics looked down on other religions and thought of them as condemned to hell," Ryan said.
But one document from the council acknowledged that these disparate faiths had a common belief in God, said Ryan, who described it as nothing less than "a revolutionary approach."
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Perhaps the biggest of these changes came in the church's approach to Judaism. Before Vatican II, Jews were stigmatized as the people who killed Jesus Christ. That changed with the council, when the Catholic Church acknowledged its Jewish roots and Jews' covenant with God, Ryan said.1

Lionel:
'This shift included the Catholic Church's attitude toward other religions. '
The 'shift' was possible with the use of an irrational premise and inference to interpret LG 16 etc.So there was a non traditional conclusion.The error originated in the 1808 Baltimore Catechism when being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire were considered explicit baptisms like the baptism of water and were placed in the section on Baptism and its necessity for salvation.
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Lionel:
Before Vatican II, Catholics weren't supposed to visit other denominations' houses of worship. "Catholics looked down on other religions and thought of them as condemned to hell," Ryan said.
According to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined by three Church Councils, non Christians and non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.Since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to invisible for us cases they are not explicit exceptions to this dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
For the Huffington Post and the Jewish Left, LG 16 refer to explictly known cases in 2015.This is the contemporary Magisterium's political position too. It is magisterial heresy.
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But one document from the council acknowledged that these disparate faiths had a common belief in God, said Ryan, who described it as nothing less than "a revolutionary approach."
Lionel:
Ryan does not say that there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and that LG 14 and AG 7 support the dogma.
Secondly, according to the Catholic Church,only believing in God is not enough for salvation.
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Perhaps the biggest of these changes came in the church's approach to Judaism.
Lionel:
Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation(AG 7, LG 14). Outside the Church there is no salvation and all need 'faith and baptism' (AG 7, LG 14).Catholics are the new people of God, the elect, the chosen people (NA 4). They have the Promised Messiah and the new Covenant, the everlasting covenant.The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion.

 Before Vatican II, Jews were stigmatized as the people who killed Jesus Christ. That changed with the council, when the Catholic Church acknowledged its Jewish roots and Jews' covenant with God, 
Lionel:
Jews need to convert is the message of Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).Jews are outside the Church and outside the Church there is no salvation. They all need to  become formal members of the Church with 'faith and baptism' to avoid the fires of Hell.
Vatican Council II is in agreement with the traditional, centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Vatican Council II can be intepreted with Feeneyism ( no exceptions to the dogma EENS) or with Cushingism( there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS). The Huffington Post uses irrational Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II.There correspondents are unaware of the irrationality which has come into the Church from the 1808 Baltimore Catechism.So for them LG 16 etc refers to an explicit exception to the dogma (Cushingism) instead of being an unknown case and a  non exception to the dogma(Feeneyism).
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Vatican II Changed The Catholic Church -- And The World

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/vatican-ii-catholic-church-changes_n_1956641.html


Reuters Religion Editor Tom Henegan also interprets Vatican Council II with the Baltimore Catechism error http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/reuters-religion-editor-tom-henegan.html


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No denial from Phillip Pullela and Nicole Winfield

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/huffington-post-interprets-vatican.html



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