Thursday, March 24, 2016

Without this new theology, based on an irrational observation it cannot be said the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been changed or discarded.They have to use the irrationality: Synod Exhortation




Michael Matt refers to Ludwig Ott who wrote The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. I read that book a long time back. I do not remember if he was using the new theology.However Matt then mentions the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
I assume  Michael Matt and Chris Ferrara , are assuming the baptism of desire refers to known cases, it is an example of salvation outside the Church and so it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is the new theology.


It is relatively 'new' since it has been in the Church for some 70 plus years and so it was probably part of the religious formation of Michael Matt and Chris Ferrara as children.Perhaps it was the same also for Ludwig Ott.

If Matt and Ferrara are able to see that there cannot be any known salvation outside the Church; we cannot see people in Heaven without the baptism of water, or know of people on earth who are going to be saved without the baptism of water, then they could interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as it was known to the 16th century missionaries i.e there are no exceptions on earth to the dogma.Anyway in 2016 none of us knows of any exceptions.

It is only by assuming hypothetical cases are objectively known, that there can be a development with the dogma and a NEW theology created.

Without this new theology, based on an irrational observation, an irrational reasoning ( physically seeing people in Heaven) Pope Benedict and  Cardinal Kasper cannot  say the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been changed or discarded.They have to use the irrationality.
So it is important for Michael Matt and Chris Ferrara  to clarify this point.

We can affirm the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with the baptism of desire  which is implicit, known only to God, accepted in principle and theoretical.So it is not relevant or an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance ( all allegedly without the baptism of water according to the new theology) is a zero case according to the apologist John Martignoni.

So zero cases cannot be the basis of a theology or projected as an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So the dogma has not changed after Vatican Council II as Pope Benedict suggested in the interview with Avvenire.This surprising interview seems a preparation for the Synod Report to be announced after Easter.

Theologically we have to be prepared when it is asked  by Cardinal Kasper that if the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus can be discarded or changed then why not other teachings of the Catholic Church ?-Lionel Andrades

https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2016/03/22/the-new-newness-of-the-new-so-shiny/







You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html
 

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