And to be honest, Lionel, I cannot determine if
you are buying into the notion that heterodox
innovations emanating from Vat II trump previous
Church teaching, or if you are merely drawing
attention to these subversive innovations.
you are buying into the notion that heterodox
innovations emanating from Vat II trump previous
Church teaching, or if you are merely drawing
attention to these subversive innovations.
Lionel:
The heterodox innovations that you
see in Vatican Council II are the
results of using an irrational
premise and conclusion.Avoid
it and Vatican Council II emerges
orthodox.
see in Vatican Council II are the
results of using an irrational
premise and conclusion.Avoid
it and Vatican Council II emerges
orthodox.
The SSPX Asia for example cites:-
Saint Ignatius of Antioch: "Do not deceive
yourselves, he who adheres to the author of a
schism will not possess the kingdom of God."
[Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3 (CH 158)].
yourselves, he who adheres to the author of a
schism will not possess the kingdom of God."
[Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3 (CH 158)].
Saint Cyprianus: "Whosoever is separated from
the Church is united to an adulteress. He has
cut himself off from the promises of the Church,
and he who leaves the Church of Christ cannot
arrive at the rewards of Christ (...) He who observes
not this unity observes not the law of God, holds
not the faith of the Father and the Son, clings not
to life and salvation." [De Cath. Eccl. Unitate, n
6 (CH 555)].
the Church is united to an adulteress. He has
cut himself off from the promises of the Church,
and he who leaves the Church of Christ cannot
arrive at the rewards of Christ (...) He who observes
not this unity observes not the law of God, holds
not the faith of the Father and the Son, clings not
to life and salvation." [De Cath. Eccl. Unitate, n
6 (CH 555)].
Saint Augustine and the Council of Cirta (412
A.D.): "He who is separated from the body of
the Catholic Church, however laudable his
conduct may otherwise seem, will never enjoy
eternal life, and the anger of God remains on
him by reason of the crime of which he is
guilty in living separated from Christ." [Epist.
141 (CH 158)].
A.D.): "He who is separated from the body of
the Catholic Church, however laudable his
conduct may otherwise seem, will never enjoy
eternal life, and the anger of God remains on
him by reason of the crime of which he is
guilty in living separated from Christ." [Epist.
141 (CH 158)].
Saint Gregory the Great: "The holy universal
Church teaches that God cannot be truly adored
except within its fold; she affirms that all those
who are separated from her will not be saved."
[Moral. in Job. XIV,5 (CH 158)].
Church teaches that God cannot be truly adored
except within its fold; she affirms that all those
who are separated from her will not be saved."
[Moral. in Job. XIV,5 (CH 158)].
Innocent III and the Fourth Ecumenical Council
of the Lateran (1215 A.D.): "There is only
one universal Church of the faithful, outside of
which no one can be saved." [Cap. I; De fide
cath.; DS 802 (CH 159)].
of the Lateran (1215 A.D.): "There is only
one universal Church of the faithful, outside of
which no one can be saved." [Cap. I; De fide
cath.; DS 802 (CH 159)].
"The same teaching is expressed in the professions
of faith which have been proposed of by the
Apostolic See; in the one which all the Latin
Churches use (2); as also in the others, one which
is received by the Greeks (3), and the other by
all other Eastern Catholics" (4). [Pope Gregory
XVI: Encyclical Summo jugiter, May 27, 1832
to the Bishops of Bavaria (CH 159)].
of faith which have been proposed of by the
Apostolic See; in the one which all the Latin
Churches use (2); as also in the others, one which
is received by the Greeks (3), and the other by
all other Eastern Catholics" (4). [Pope Gregory
XVI: Encyclical Summo jugiter, May 27, 1832
to the Bishops of Bavaria (CH 159)].
So far good. This is orthodoxy.
Then the SSPX Asia cites
the Letter of the Holy Office.
the Letter of the Holy Office.
[Letter of the S.C. of the H. Office, Aug. 8,
1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (CH 1256-7)].
1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (CH 1256-7)].
The Letter has used the
irrational premise ( baptism
of desire cases are visible
and known in the present
times-1949) and irrational
conclusion( and so these
invisible visible cases are
exceptions to the dogma
EENS as it was known to
Saint Ignatius of Antioch
etc.quoted above)
irrational premise ( baptism
of desire cases are visible
and known in the present
times-1949) and irrational
conclusion( and so these
invisible visible cases are
exceptions to the dogma
EENS as it was known to
Saint Ignatius of Antioch
etc.quoted above)
You see the error?
The SSPX Asia contradicts
itself.It has mixed up what
is invisible as being
visible, what is hypothetical
as being practical exceptions
to EENS.
itself.It has mixed up what
is invisible as being
visible, what is hypothetical
as being practical exceptions
to EENS.
This is an objective error.
It is not just theology.
It is not just theology.
It cites the traditional
interpretation of the dogma
EENS which says there are
no excepton and then it
considers the baptism of
desire etc as being an exception.
interpretation of the dogma
EENS which says there are
no excepton and then it
considers the baptism of
desire etc as being an exception.
________________________
Similarly for you and the
SSPX would assume that
Lumen Gentium 16
(invincible ignorance)
would be an exception
to St. Ignatius of Antioch
and the others quaoted above?
SSPX would assume that
Lumen Gentium 16
(invincible ignorance)
would be an exception
to St. Ignatius of Antioch
and the others quaoted above?
Correct?
So this is why Vatican Council
II for you is a rupture with
Tradtiion. It is a rupture with
St. Ignatius of Antoich because
of the false premise,
the irrational premise.
II for you is a rupture with
Tradtiion. It is a rupture with
St. Ignatius of Antoich because
of the false premise,
the irrational premise.
-Lionel Andrades
http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2847-the-lutheran-pope-ecu-maniacs-in-sweden
http://sspxasia.com/Documents/Catholic_Doctrine/Is-there-no-salvation-outside-the-Catholic-Church.htm
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