A Canadian blogger interprets extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and Vatican Council II with an irrationality to create heresy. He does not deny this with reason and theology. Nor does he comment upon it.So he meets Trudeau's political correct requirements.Then he keeps posting reports on Pope Francis being in heresy.
David Domet ( Vox Cantoris) had to pull down comments which support the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.Possibly his employment and blog was being threatened in Trudeau's Canada.There non Catholics and things Satanic are granted special privileges.
So in 'the free and open' society of Canada he has announced that there is to be no discussion on EENS.
He depends upon a priest to guide him.But this priest also interprets invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), as being visible exceptions to traditional EENS.
So he is forced to misinterpret Magisterial documents in general.The conclusion is an innovation.It is non traditional.
David is unable to discuss this issue.His only response to a comment 1 was'poppycock'.He objects when it is said that he is in heresy.But he could not deny the 10 points in a rational way.
It would then also be affirming traditional EENS without the irrationality. This would be opposed by the liberals and the Left in Canada, including the Conference of Canadian Bishops.The irrationality is obligatory.
We can interpret Vatican Council II by assuming hypothetical cases of BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8 etc are objective examples of non Catholics saved outside the Church. I call this approach Cushingite.This is Cushingism.
We can also interpret BOD, BOB and I.I with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical. So they would not be known non Catholics in 2019 saved outside the Church. I call this approach Feeneyite.
When we use the irrationality it is Cushingism and when we avoid it, it is Feeneyism for me.
Most Catholics today are Cushingites and so is David.They also include John Henry Weston, the Canadian editor of LifeSites News which has a Catholic web page.
If David interprets Vatican Council II and the Catechism with Feeneyism the Left will object and threaten.For them Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church would be in harmony with Feeneyite EENS.
EENS today would be the same as it was for the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
The liberals could object legally.
They are not a push over like Fr. Thomas Rosica.Vox Cantoris knows this.
So in two of his blog posts, in which David has removed comments, he is politically correct but theologically and doctrinally he is not Catholic.His philosophy is bad.It is deception.
He can avoid all this but for practical reasons he does not. Meanwhile he criticizes Pope Francis, who also could be conforming with what the Masons and the Left want, to protect his life and to safeguard the Vatican.
David cannot say that he affirms BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8 etc, without them being exceptions to EENS, since then he would be back to the same problem -an intolerant society in Canada.
This is a reason why other traditionalists like Christopher Ferrara and Roberto de Mattei do not support Feeneyite EENS and Vatican Council II.
There are Catholic professors of philosophy , who agree with me and who could explain things to Domet, Verrecchio and Barnhardt but they afraid of losing their teaching jobs.
The professors who will participate in the summer conferences this year are all Cushingites like David and his priest-friend.They please the Left and go along with false doctrine.
Rorate Caeli to stay above water had also to remove comments on EENS with reference to the International Theological Commission a few years back.It was the same with the Catholic Herald, U.K.The Jewish Left objected in Britain.No such comments were allowed on the National Catholic Register too a few years back.
Here is one of the comments which David Domet could not respond to. He simply could have denied them, point by point.
Comment (awaiting moderation) on the blog Vox Cantoris, You expect people to come to the Catholic Faith,why bother?
Here are some points related the confusion and heresy in your two posts.
1.We must observe that the norm for salvation in the Catholic Church is faith and the baptism of water. The norm is not people-could-repent-at-the-last-moment and be saved.This was the error of Fr.Charles Curran who was checked by Pope John Paul II.
2.Since there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) nor of LG 8, GS 22, UR 3 etc in Vatican Council II, there is no extraordinary way of salvation, known to us humans.
3.A non Christian, however admirable is his personality, who dies without faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14) is oriented to Hell.
When we meet non Catholics we know all of them are oriented to Hell with no known exception.Since the nome is the dogma EENS or AG 7 and LG 14 in Vatican Council II and literally we cannot know of any exception.
4.Outside the Church there is no salvation is a dogma of the Catholic Church which is not contradicted by anything mentioned in Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO).
5.Practically, there can be no known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Literally, we cannot know anyone saved with BOD,BOB or I.l.The LOHO made a mistake in 1949 and it was repeated at Vatican Council II ( 1965).
6.Since there is no known salvation outside the Church in particular cases; no literal cases, we cannot say that someone in invincible ignorance is an exception to EENS.We cannot say only those who know about Jesus and the Church( who are not in ignorance) need to enter the Church and not all in general.This is the mistake in Lumen Gentium 14 based upon the objective mistake in LOHO( 1949).
7.No one saw a St. Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.The Church only says she is a saint. This is all that is permitted for us humans who cannot see who is in Heaven.
8.No one saw St.Ambrose's friend, the Emperor Valentinian in Heaven, with or without the baptism of water.St. Ambrose could only speculate and hope and believe that his friend was there.
BOD, BOB and I.I for us humans can only be theoretical and speculative,I repeat.
9.A possibility of being saved outside the Church( since God is not limited) is not an actual, known person, saved outside the Church without faith and baptism.It's only a theoretical case.Also it is also possible, conversely, that there was no one saved outside the Church, over the last 50 years.
10.It is the Holy Spirit which guides the Church to say outside the Church there is no salvation.So we know how God will judge and what is the objective reality after death.Personal sentiments for people cannot change this objective reality.
So Catholics do not pray for non Catholics who have died.We can express our condolences and sympathy with non Catholic friends at the human level.We pray for non Catholics who are living. We can hope that God will show them the truth and that they may have what is needed to follow it.-Lionel Andrades