Wednesday, April 14, 2021

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option. They are also not magisterial on the Nicene and Apostles Creed since they make the same mistake which can be avoided

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option.1

They use the same false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I). I avoid the false premise. 
However with BOD, BOB and I.I interpreted with the false premise,they change the traditional interpretation of the Apostles and Nicene Creed.It is different from mine. For me BOD, BOB and I.I are always implicit but for the popes they are explicit. So they become exceptions to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus( EENS), the Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q).
The present two popes are in a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church, who did not use the false premise, inference and conclusion. 
Their use of the false premise, inference and conclusion would not be magisterial. Since the Holy Spirit could not make an objective error and choose an irrational option, which is non traditional and schismatic.
 They support the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) to the Archbishop of Boston 1949(LOHO) which wrongly assumed unknown and invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I were known and visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. So LOHO concluded heretically, that not every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. The same error was made by the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II. The LOHO is referenced in Vatican Council II(LG 16) with the mistake and it is also placed in the Denzinger.
So also the interpretation of the Catechisms by Pope Francis and Pope Benedict , with the false premise, would be different, from mine.


THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE APOSTLES CREED AND THE NICENE CREED. 

How do you interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?

There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.

" I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" - Apostles Creed


Pope Francis and Pope Benedict 

1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc  ? 

Or,

Lionel:

2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvationthere are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is  communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?


THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED. WHICH ONE IS YOURS ?

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed

Lionel : 

1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.

Or.

For Pope Francis and Pope Benedict  

2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptismspersonally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).

When Pope Francis and Pope Benedict avoid the false premise, inference and conclusion their interpretation of the Creeds will be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium. There would be no hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. -Lionel Andrades


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 APRIL 14, 2021

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not.html

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