Leonard Edward Feeney (February 18, 1897 – January 30, 1978) was an American Jesuit priest, poet, lyricist, and essayist.
He articulated a strict interpretation of the Roman Catholic doctrine extra Ecclesiam nulla salus ("outside the Church there is no salvation"). He took the position that baptism of blood and baptism of desire are unavailing and that therefore no non-Catholics will be saved - Wikipedia
Lionel :
unavailing : Fr. Leonard Feeney means there are no known and visible cases of the baptism of
desire to contradict the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus.
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Wikipedia
Feeneyism is a Christian doctrine, associated with Leonard Feeney, which advocates an interpretation of the dogma extra Ecclesiam nulla salus ("outside the Church there is no salvation") which is that only Catholics can go to heaven and that only those baptised with water can go to heaven. Feeneyism opposes the doctrines of baptism of desire and baptism of blood as well as the view that non-Catholics can go to heaven.
Feeneyism is considered a heresy by the Catholic Church; some Catholics refer to Feeneyism as the Boston heresy. - Wikipedia
Lionel :
Feeneyism is a
Catholic doctrine, associated with Leonard Feeney and the Fourth Lateran Council (12159 and the
Council of Florence (1442) which defined extra ecclesiam nulla salus as a dogma
of the Catholic Church. These Councils advocate an interpretation of the dogma extra Ecclesiam nulla salus ("outside the Church there is no
salvation") which is that only Catholics can go to heaven and that only those baptised with water can go to heaven. If a non Catholic
goes to Heaven he will be a Catholic there and not a non Catholic.
Feeneyism does not oppose the doctrines of baptism of desire and baptism of blood but considres them specualtive and hypothetical
and known only to God, if they exist . So they do not contradict the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus , which says that in Heaven there are only
Catholics.
Feeneyism is considered a heresy by the the Jewish Left and their
supporters in the Catholic Church who refer to to Feeneyism as the Boston heresy. Other Catholics refer
to the Boston Heresy as the heresy of Pope Pius XII, Cardinal Richard Cushing
and the Jesuits. They assumed unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire etc were visible and known exceptions for EENS according the the Church Councils in
the Middle Ages.- L.ionel
Andrades
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CONDEMNATION OF FEENEYISM[EDIT]
In a 1949 letter to Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, the Holy Office condemned Feeney's teaching that only those formally baptized in the Catholic Church can be saved. The Holy Office affirmed that those baptized by their desire can be saved. This letter was sent by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani to Cardinal Cushing. This letter stated among other things:[9][10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeneyism
Lionel :
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member
The dogma EENS of the Church Councils says that one needs to be a member
of the Catholic Church for salvation and the Congregation for the Doctrine of
the Faith is here saying in this Letter that one does not have to be a member.
This is heresy. It is also schism with the Magisterium over the centuries.
The Letter also confuses invisible cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I as visible exceptions for the strict interpretation of EENS, of the Church Councils and Fr. Leonard Feeney. This is irrational. It is also unethical and dishonest. This is a scandal.
Vatican Council II (Wikipedia)
- Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."
- Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 16: "Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life."
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation", means, if put in positive terms, that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body", and it "is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church".[44]
At the same time, it adds: "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
The Church has also declared that "she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter", and that "those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways." - Wikipedia
Lionel :
Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."
Those who are in invincible ignorance and who
are saved are known only to God. So these are not practical exceptions for the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). We must not confuse what is invisible
as being visible.
Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium, 16: "Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life."
Lionel:
Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.
Yes hypothetically and it will include Catholic faith and baptism of water since this the teaching of the Councils, Catechisms and Creeds.
Hypothetical cases must not be projected as being objective exceptions for the dogma EENS in 1949-2023.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation", means, if put in positive terms, that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body", and it "is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church".
Lionel : Yes all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body and all need to enter the Church with faith and baptism to avoid Hell ( for salvation). There are no physically visible exceptions (Council of Florence etc). Those who through no fault of their own who do not know Christ and His Church also need to enter the Church as members to be saved from Hell. If anyone is saved in invincible ignorance, he or she would only be known to God. In Heaven he or she would be a Catholic. God would provide a preacher to teach them the faith and baptise them, as St. Thomas Aquinas said. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism (AG 7) and not invincible ignorance(LG 14 etc).There are not 'explicit' and 'literal' cases of being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.
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Extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Wikipedia)
Strict
interpretation[edit]
See also: Feeneyism
Some sedevacantists called Feeneyists (such as the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of
Mary of New Hampshire) believe that
only baptized Catholics can be saved. They reject of concept of baptism by desire and baptism
of blood, and say that only a properly
performed rite with the use of water and the requisite words is sufficient
Lionel : The
Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in New Hampshire, USA are not
sedevacantists. They accept Pope Francis as the pope.They believe that only baptised
Catholics who live the Catholic Faith and die without mortal sins on their soul
can be saved since this is the teaching of the Catholic Church. This is the
teaching of the Church in Magisterial Documents interpreted rationally.
This is the
teaching of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442)
which did not mention any exceptions. The two Councils are not contradicted by hypothetical
and unknown cases of the baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and
being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I).
The two Councils and the BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. They do not confuse what is invisible as being visible and then project false exceptions for the dogma EENS. So they do not reject BOD, BOB and I.I which can only be hypothetical.They do not project them as exceptions for Feeneyite EENS.- Lionel Andrades
SALVATION AND THE CHURCH
LUKE 13:23: 'LORD, ARE THEY FEW THAT ARE SAVED?'
The Catholic Church infallibly teaches the truth that "Outside the Church, there is no salvation." The Church isn't saying here that only Catholics go to Heaven but that all graces needed for salvation originate in Christ and pass through His Mystical Body, the Church.
Lionel: The Catholic Church is saying here that there are only Catholics in Heaven. If there are non Catholics who are going to Heaven, in Heaven they will only be Catholic. The Church is saying this when Magisterial Documents( Councils, Creeds and Catechisms) are interpreted rationally and not irrationally. Bradley Eli interprets Vatican Council II irrationally.
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Section 846 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms that this dogma does mean "All salvation comes from Christ the head through the Church, which is His body."
Lionel: Yes all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church,
which is His Body and all need to enter the Catholic
Church with faith and the baptism of water for salvaton ( Ad Gentes 7, Lumen
Gentium 14, Catechism of the Catholic Church 845, 846, Fourth Lateran Council
(1215) etc). When Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic
Church are interpreted rationally there is no contradiction. There is no
rupture with the Fourth Council of Florence (1215) on the strict interpretation
of EENS, with no known exceptions.
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Those unable to know this truth have what's called invincible ignorance. A little Jewish girl who dies at the age of 6 might be such a person.
Lionel : Yes there could be someone in invincible
ignorance and if the person is to be saved this case would only be known to
God. For us humans they are theoretical and speculative. We cannot point out
any person and say that this or that person will go to Heaven even if he is in
invincible ignorance. We cannot meet or see someone saved in invincible
ignorance. They are invisible in our reality. So they are not practical exceptions
for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Council of
Florence 1442).
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Of these, Pope Pius IX in his 1863 encyclical, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, wrote:
It is known to Us and to you that they who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion and who, zealously keeping the natural law and its precepts engraved in the hearts of all by God, and being ready to obey God, live an honest and upright life, can, by the operating power of divine light and grace, attain eternal life, since God ... will by no means suffer anyone to be punished with eternal torment who has not the guilt of deliberate sin.
Lionel: Yes
and we cannot project this case of invincible ignorance as an exception for the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). It was known to Pope Pius
IX that these are theoretical cases and not objective exceptions for the dogma
EENS.That these are hypothetical cases is common sense. It was known through
the centuries.
It was only in 1949 in the Letter
of the Holy Office (CDF) that a mistake was made. It was assumed that
invincible ignorance was a visible case. Bradley Eli makes this mistake. This
is the common formation- error in the Catholic seminaries and
universities all over the world.
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As cited in Denzinger §1677, Pius IX adds:
But, the Catholic dogma that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church is well known; and also that those who are obstinate toward the authority and definitions of the same Church, and who persistently separate themselves from the unity of the Church, and from the Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, to whom "the guardianship of the vine has been entrusted by the Savior," cannot obtain eternal salvation.
Lionel : The 1949 Letter
of the Holy Office was placed in the Denzinger by the liberals. It was
put there along with its objective mistake. Catholics are not obligated to
follow the second part of the 1949 LOHO which contradicts the first part which
affirmed traditional EENS. It does this with a fake premise.
The 1949
LOHO is not Magisterial, even though it was accepted by Rahner, Ratzinger, Kung
and Congar, since the Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake. With this
objective mistake, confusing what is invisible as being visible, unknown as
being known, alleged practical exceptions were created for the Magisterial
interpretation of EENS over the centuries.
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Vatican II repeats this admonition in Lumen Gentium §14: "Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. ... Not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged."
Lionel : Yes whoever knows and does not enter is oriented to Hell. But it
does not mean that we know of any one in particular who will go to Heaven
outside the Church, with invincible ignorance. All people in general need
Catholic faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7). All. Those who
know and those who do not know, need to accept Jesus in only the Catholic Church
for salvation ( to avoid Hell ). Lumen Gentium 14 refers to those ‘who
know’ since the Council Fathers, the liberals, interpreted 'being saved in
invincible ignorance', irrationally, like the 1949 LOHO. They assumed that the
baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) referred to 'known and
visible non Catholics' in 1949-1965 who were saved outside the Catholic Church,
without faith and the baptism of water. But the Councils from the 12th
to the 16th century are clear. All need to be members of the Church
for salvation. All. The word all is also used in Ad Gentes 7. It says all need
faith and the baptism of water, for salvation (AG 7, Vatican Council II) The BOD and I.I are
not exceptions or relevant for AG 7 or the dogma EENS.
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Religious pluralism (Wikipedia)
The Catholic Church, unlike some Protestant denominations, affirms "developmental theology," understood to mean that the "Holy Spirit, in and through the evolving and often confused circumstances of concrete history, is gradually bringing the Church to an ever more mature understanding of the deposit of faith (the saving truths entrusted by Jesus Christ to the Apostles—these as such cannot be changed or added to). The Church comes to recognize baptism of desire quite early in its history. Later, the Church realizes that Romans 2:14–16, for example, allows for the salvation of non-Christians who do not have unobstructed exposure to Christian teachings: "When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires… They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts…[25] Various forms of "implicit faith" come to hold standing, until at Vatican Council II, the Church declares: "Nor shall divine providence deny the assistance necessary for salvation to those who, without any fault of theirs, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God, and who, not without grace, strive to lead a good life" (#16). Vatican Council II in its Declaration Nostra aetate addresses the non-Christian religions with respect and appreciation, affirming the goodness found in them. Since Vatican Council II, Catholic dialogists in particular are working out the implications of John Paul II's statement, in Redemptor hominis #6 that Christians should recognize "the Holy Spirit operating outside the visible confines of the Mystical Body of Christ." - Religious pluralism, Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_pluralism
Lionel:
The Catholic
Church, unlike some Protestant denominations,
affirms "developmental theology," understood to mean that the
"Holy Spirit, in and through the evolving and often
confused circumstances of concrete history, is gradually bringing the Church to
an ever more mature understanding of the deposit of faith (the saving truths entrusted by Jesus
Christ to the Apostles—these as such cannot be changed or added to). The Church comes to recognize baptism of desire quite early in its history. Later, the Church
realizes that Romans 2:14–16, for example, allows for the salvation of
non-Christians who do not have unobstructed exposure to Christian teachings: "When Gentiles who have not the law
do by nature what the law requires… They show that what the law requires is
written on their hearts…[25] Various forms of "implicit faith" come to
hold standing, until at Vatican Council II, the Church declares:
"Nor shall divine providence deny the assistance necessary for salvation
to those who, without any fault of theirs, have not yet arrived at an explicit
knowledge of God, and who, not without grace, strive to lead a good life"
(#16). Vatican
Council II in its Declaration Nostra aetate addresses the non-Christian religions with
respect and appreciation, affirming the goodness found in them. Since Vatican
Council II, Catholic dialogists in particular are working out the implications
of John Paul II's statement, in Redemptor hominis #6 that Christians should recognize "the
Holy Spirit operating outside the visible confines of the Mystical Body of Christ." - Religious pluralism, Wikipedia
"developmental theology," understood to mean
that the "Holy Spirit, in and through the evolving and often
confused circumstances of concrete history, is gradually bringing the Church to
an ever more mature understanding of the deposit of faith (the saving truths entrusted by Jesus
Christ to the Apostles—these as such cannot be changed or added to).
There cannot
be ‘development theology’ by confusing what is invisible as being visible and
then projecting alleged practical exceptions for the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology
of the Catholic Church.
The Church comes to recognize baptism of desire quite early in its history. Later, the Church
realizes that Romans 2:14–16, for example, allows for the salvation of
non-Christians who do not have unobstructed exposure to Christian teachings.
Even the references
to the baptism of desire in early history were to hypothetical and speculative
cases only. They are not objective cases. This is a given.
). Vatican Council II in its Declaration Nostra aetate addresses the non-Christian religions with
respect and appreciation, affirming the goodness found in them. Since Vatican
Council II, Catholic dialogists in particular are working out the implications
of John Paul II's statement, in Redemptor hominis #6 that Christians should recognize "the
Holy Spirit operating outside the visible confines of the Mystical Body of Christ."
Yes the Holy Spirit can act outside the visible confines of the Church (LG
8) and there are good things in other religions. However the religions are not
paths to salvation (CDF, Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis sj, 2001).Other religions
also have errors and superstition, Pope John Paul II tells us in Dominus Iesus.
We also cannot say that a particular will be saved or has been saved outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church where the true Church of Christ ‘subsists’ (LG 8).We cannot say that anyone in particular will be saved outside the Church with ‘elements of sanctification and truth in other religions’ (LG 8), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) or just being men of goodwill (GS 22).- Lionel Andrades
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